hk1997 Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 http://www.cafegoogooyen.com/mysteryviolinist3.mp3 Schubert - Ave Maria 5.4 megs 128K compression This should only take a few minutes if you're on dialup. Heh, Toscha, I know the database of your massive CD and LP collection is uploaded into your head so perhaps you should restrain yourself until later on. Like right before I reveal. Let's schedule for Wednesday. Enjoy!
hk1997 Posted May 5, 2003 Author Report Posted May 5, 2003 OH, By the way. How can you tell if a recording from this era was recorded with a Stroh violin?
fiolmattias Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 That was easy. Joachim is wrong but close - listen to the vibrato and the slides. Definetly female. Slow vibrato, slower than Auer school, more Joachim but with some american flavor. Have to be Joachim school. It's Maud Powell recorded pre Heifetz
Carlo_jsb Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 Actually, I have never even heard Powell play. Joachim was a stab in the dark! Carlo.
staylor Posted May 5, 2003 Report Posted May 5, 2003 I think Maud Powell would have played it better! So It might not be her. But I havn't heard her recording of it to compare. I have a new CD of her, but not with that in it.
Ernst Posted May 6, 2003 Report Posted May 6, 2003 I only have one Maude Powell CD, and like your's the song is not on it. I'm practically a total illiterate on such things but I agree with you. It's in the style of Powell but at least on my cd she is much smoother yet way more powerful. If it is her she wasn't playing nearly as well as on the recordings I have. An interesting discovery - on my cd she plays Mignon's Gavotte. I was studying that last month. What a difference from the Nadien Suzuki version!
iupviolin Posted May 6, 2003 Report Posted May 6, 2003 I personally didn't think she was that great. I'm pretty sure this is her. I have a CD of her plaing other stuff and this sounds just like her.
Toscha Posted May 6, 2003 Report Posted May 6, 2003 Maud Powell. Yes, the octaves are a bit out of tune here and there, but these are deadly difficult octaves and even the early Heifetz recording have few uncomfortable moments. Just do remember that back in those days, THERE WERE NO EDITING TECHNIQUE WHATSOEVER. So, once one made a mistake he/she had choices of scrapping the take altogether or redo and waste a pile of wax discs (that is how the original pressings are made), or go ahead and publish the take. I am pretty sick of people nitpicking intonation faults of those old recordings. Listen to how they interpret, rather than count how many notes violinists missed! Back to the subject. For moment, I thought it could have been Willy Burmester or Franz von Vecsay, but Burmester did not record this piece, and Vecsay had different sound (by the way, Thibaud did record this piece record on Pathe in 1919, but with an orchestra and in an abridged form). T. P.S. Ernst, comparing Powel (who plays the Sarasate arrangement)with Nadien is not a fair comparison, since they don't play the same arrangement. Nadien is a fine player.
Ernst Posted May 6, 2003 Report Posted May 6, 2003 Yes, it is the Sarsate on my Powell cd. I wasn't condemning at all, Nadien is a very fine player. I was just commenting on the difference. I actually prefer the Nadien recording of that piece.
iupviolin Posted May 6, 2003 Report Posted May 6, 2003 Intonation?? There's no excuse for poor intonation. Listen to Mischa Elman's recordings from around this time. His intonation is nearly Flawless!
staylor Posted May 6, 2003 Report Posted May 6, 2003 I think that is something one can only say about oneself. I shouldn't think any great violinist ever intentionally allows poor intonation.
hk1997 Posted May 7, 2003 Author Report Posted May 7, 2003 Maud Powell George Falkenstein, Piano May 27, 1910 Naxos Historical 2 disk set 8.110962 I'm with Toscha on this one. I'm more interested in the way it's played than how in-tune everything is. I don't normally listen to old scratchy recordings for long periods of time but this CD, for some reason, was cycling in my CD player for a week. Good job all!
iupviolin Posted May 7, 2003 Report Posted May 7, 2003 When the intonation interrupts the flow of the music, THAT is when it unacceptable. To my ears, her playing was just that.
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