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: : FACIEBAT ANNO 1725. right after the 1725 there is trademark type

: design. it is a cross with a circle connected to the bottom line of the cross.

: the line through the circle at the bottom of the cross is where the capital A is

: on one side of the line in the circle and on the other side is the capital S. the

: top part of the cross out side the circle looks like a 4 at the tip and the ends have

: two points to them. the design is also leaning like this "/". this is the lean, not what it looks like.

The 25 in 1725 is handwritten also, when using a high resolution in photo, you can see there is writting under the varnish next to the sound hole,you can't see this with the naked eye.


Bow, with the name A.Renz,Dresden ?

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I think what Minuet's trying to say is -- it's probably not the real thing, but if you want to know for sure, have it professionally appraised by your friendly neighborhood luthier...

Please forgive us if we seem overly sceptical (some would use the term "bitter" ) about your find, but this is a question that we see quite often here. As you hang out here in the Pegbox, you'll learn quite a bit about fiddle indentification. You'll learn to doubt just about any label you'll see on a fiddle -- especially any fiddle claiming to be Italian. Stay and learn, Grasshopper.

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According to the labels pictured in the Hill book on Stradivari, after 1700 only the first digit of the year was printed, and the last three digits were handwritten. Therefore, since your label has only "25" handwritten, it is not genuine. But maybe you have a real Strad that someone put a fake label in.

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Make sure the area code on the label matches the one for Cremona. A violin with an area code for Germany or China is a tipoff that the label may be fake. Postal zip codes are another way to spot a fake. On the other hand, I have a real Strad made in Bavaria. It is valued by me as being worth $1,000,000, as I traded two $500,000 tamborines for it.

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If your planning to use the instrament, this type of violin, sometimes called a ("Factory") violin, can be a vary good starter or student piece. Take it to a shop and have it set up to play, and start to make music. If you need to know the value, a trip to a shop is also needed, but don't get your hopes to high.

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