One_Tree_Hill Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 ...is Beethoven 9 (Kreutzer) Don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxviolin Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Yes, it is. So, have you been playing it, or do you have a really good recording you'd like to share the name of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One_Tree_Hill Posted December 10, 2002 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Both. I'm playing it at the moment, and it's fun. I would recommend Szerying's recording of it with Rubenstein, amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linuxviolin Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 yeah, should have known you'd say Szeryng/Rubenstein. And here's me unable to produce a single recording of it- though I do have four recordings of Kreisler and Rachmaninoff playing Op. 30 No. 3 (no. 8)- I have a feeling that two are the same, but two of them are on the same CD. I did hear the Kreutzer sonata live with Anne-Sophie Mutter a few years ago, and have heard recordings of it (and probably live, not to mention looked over the music) fairly recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technique_doc Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 What can I say - and to think many players never do it 'cause they're frightened! Truly a delight...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo_jsb Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 What's there to be frightened of? My favourite recordings: Perlman/Ashkenazy and Yehudi Menuhin/Hephizibah Menuhin. Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technique_doc Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 OOOooo - let me reflect. Opening passage - double stops Presto - how fast!! bar 80? for 8 bars - horrible (to sound good) quaver feature (a bit like a water feature only drier!) 200 ish - wicked more quavers Some nasty demisemiquavers in Variations Nasty 6/8 Presto at end - 6/8 always like trying to balance a sports car with only three wheels! Always sounds like some deranged (three legged) Tarantella on drugs! Other than this it's a walk in the park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiolmattias Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 I don't really see what you mean - togheter with 'spring' it is one of the most played beethoven. Sur the opening chords an double-stops can be frightening but not anything like the opening chords is Stravinsky or Wieniawski 1# (concertos). It is just a matter of practise - as Im sure that you know fiolmattias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo_jsb Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Tsk tsk, sarcasm is the weapon of the weak minded, TD! The double stops are not so difficult, and the rest can be worked out with practise I'm sure. I'm not too old to be cynical about such things yet though, so don't count on it. I can think of many harder things that people aren't frightened to play. Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technique_doc Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 I'm delighted it gets played a lot in other places. Every time I sit on a panel for anything and someone plays beethoven sonata it's always F major, G major or D major as far as I can tell. But I don't get to hear the kinds of players who might do Wien 1 or Strav - perhaps further up the learning ladder it gets more exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technique_doc Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 Oh Carlo, a hundred (no, a thousand) of my humblest apologies for resorting to such cheap sarcasm !!! It can all be worked out - last year's star pupil played it two years ago and we had to work it out bit by bit. It's not so tough I know, I think because my life revolves around more 'intermediate' than really advanced players, I lose sight of certain things. I'm not sure, even having said this, that it would have been top of my listing until I had to face it with a student. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo_jsb Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 I can't play it - though I can play the double stops at the start (I have the music to the last 5 sonatas). I guess you're right anyway. Also, such a recorded piece will make it difficult to pull off without someone noticing if you fluff it. Carlo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iivopet Posted December 10, 2002 Report Share Posted December 10, 2002 yeah, this is very nice sonata Yehudi and Hephzibah Menuhin's record is the best I think... iivopet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron MacDonald Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 There are many wonderful recordings of this work but the most exciting one that I've heard is the live performance by Joseph Szigeti and Bela Bartok (available on CD). Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toscha Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 Huberman/Friedman is still unbeatable for my taste, although Thibaud/Cortot, Heifetz/Moiseiwitsch and Gitlis/Argerich come pretty close. I cannot work up much enthusiasm towards performances that do not have any demonic edge to it. Enescu also recorded this work, although he was way past his prime and his intonation was pretty deplorable (very sad, because I could still hear more than a trace of his tremendously vivid personality and conception albeit sour intonation). Had he recorded the work 20 years earlier, he would have easily ranked with Huberman, if not even higher. Pity. T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technique_doc Posted December 11, 2002 Report Share Posted December 11, 2002 A lot of players step onto the ladder of these great sonatas quite early in their development. I know you can do this kind of thing because a) you have talent you are not easily upset by challenges and c) you know your repertoire well already. If only all pupils had these qualities, doing a Beethoven sonata with someone who has very little experience (of them) can be daunting as you have to teach them the technique and 99% of the musical interpretation. I tend to start them on D major or Spring, considering that I don't do all of them, the Kreutzer comes quite a long way into the list of sonatas. TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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