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I fell so in love with Red Violin that I bought the video. I still cry at the end! Much as I obviously enjoy a bit of randy innuendo, they really could have toned down the sex scenes so it didn't grab that R rating. This is a really great movie for younger teens, but I'd never let my kid see it with those "added" effects.

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Ernst,

I know what you mean. I would love to use it in school. Sort of a combination of history, music, science, and who-done-it. I wish there was some way to edit out the "offending" portion. Frankly, I felt those scenes were rather silly (Playing during.....yeah, right) and certainly did not add to the film.

Watching those kids play made me jealous. I'm 4 times their age, but I'll never play like that. OK, so I've only played for 9 months. I really need to give myself a break. The curse of perfectionism.

BTW, the concert following was awesome.

Ava

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I love the movie also. Surprisingly my local block busters has a copy in their foreign film section. It definetely is a tale of emotions. How about when poor Kaspar died at his audition? I was disappointed that they cut the scene that immediately preceeded that. It was the scene of Kaspar and Poussan merrily prancing through the streets on their way to the audition. I know they have to make room for commercials but not showing that scene greatly reduced the drama of the tragedy at the audition.

They probably could have cut Pope's "inspirational" scenes - and sounds - without hurting the movie, although even in the original movie I didn't feel the nudity detrimental. Definetely not for youngsters but it was artfully done.

How about the folowing feature of Bell? I'm in awe!

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I personally didn't mind the sex scenes, I just didn't see the need for them. The movie spoke volumes simply following the "red" violin from the beginning of the movie to the last scene (sniff). It was definitely just a case of "gratuitous sex" for garnering prospective audiences.

Oh, you'll LOVE where they put it in MY video store: The porno flick section!!! When it was first released on video I nearly ran to the store. I looked in new releases, drama, mystery, EVEN musicals. Nothing! So I walked up front to ask a clerk if they had it. He checks and says "yeah, I'll show you." And the guy walks me straight to the porno section! I was somewhere between furious and embarassed all at the same time. I rented it a second time and it had been put in the "musical" section. But that's the way the minds of the locals here work....

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If you enjoyed The Red Violin (and I must admit I didn't), look for Un Coeur en Hiver in the foreign films section next time you're in the video shop. It has quite possibly some of the worst faked violin playing I've ever seen on-screen, but otherwise it's kind of an interesting little art film about a love triangle between a violinmaker, dealer, and a young violinist.

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Yes, I was most impressed at Lord Pope's ability to maintain a smooth even bow stroke during....well you know!! It never occurred to me to laugh at that though. All I kept thinking was "this would have been PG-13 if they had left those scenes out" or left them more to the imagination at least.

Oops, I better watch myself here. Nemesis may be lurking in the wings ready to pounce on a line like that shocked.gif

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I thought the sex scene made for good comedy relief, and was no more gratuitous than any other standard Hollywood--or Canada-wood smile.gif product that one sees these days. It helped ease the transition into the rather grim, subtitled chapter about the Chinese Cultural Revolution.

To me the worst weaknesses of the film were the technical errors about electro-acoustical identification of a known maker's violin--very sadly misinforming to someone outside the fiddle world--and the liberties taken with auction practices. I think Michael pointed out in an earlier thread that no one would be permitted to take a violin case into the auction, for obvious security reasons. Also, among auction bidders at the million dollar level, I doubt there are many who have to hold up a sign. A faint nod or a flicker of a finger should do it. Still I liked the film, and I think it cries out for a sequel.

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Mark, you sound like my husband when he critiques war movies and such. wink.gif He's a gun collector and fairly expert in what guns were used in what period of time. He always makes a point to mention when something is out of place (like your average Joe/Jane would notice?). Funny you mention the electro-acoustical identification though. I had always wondered if that was actually done with instruments.

Well, heck! Flaws and all there's nothing better on TV later, so I'll pull out my copy. All this talk about the movie has made me want to see it again smile.gif

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I don't think the scene is gratuitous at all. The scene or scenes ( two if I recall the movie correctly) operate on a couple of fronts.

There is the theme that the virtuoso and their instrument are inseparable, or one being as seen by the virtuoso having the instrument active in that most intimate of activities.

Another theme that is really quirky is the whole violin as a person transference/transubstantion thing. The women whose spirit is the violin was passionate so it makes some sense that she would want to experience that part of life. What makes it quirky is the violin/women in there as a menage a trios kind of thing or something.

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I thought the sex/violinerbating scene was quite , quite, quite reprehensible.One, for all of the children who would have benefitted from seeing the flick( minus this grindfest),Two, for the sensationalistic mixing of two healthily similar yet ultimately disparate acts, in a most unbecoming fashion. Gratuitous filler! As animalistically unloving as that scene was, they should just as well have been slathering over a piece of raw and bloody meat, not dragging angelic sounds into the futtering fray.

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The porno section! That's hysterical! It is too bad that they didn't release a version minus the sex scenes so that music teachers could share the movie with their students. Anyone interested with a couple of VCRs and the original tape should be able to do that though (yes, illegally).

When I saw the film in the theatre with a fellow violinist from our orchestra, after the second love/sex scene, she turned to me and said "You shouldn't try this if you're not a professional." I thought I was going to fall off my chair. My spouse and I thought those scenes were very funny.

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