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Can anyone tell me where I could find a picture of a Maggini-type scroll (has an extra "turn")? I would be interested in a drawing, or a link to a photograph. Any help would be very gratefully received.

I recall reading in an archived post that a fair number of German trade violins were made with this extra turn in the scroll, around 1900. On the one violin I actually saw with this feature, I found it a very appealing touch, and I wonder why it is seemingly so rare to see a modern violin with this type of scroll. Anyone know?

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When I get to my home computer I'll check if I have any of those 4-turn scroll photographs archived. One possible source is eBay--A lot of German Maggini copies are auctioned there and some have the extra twist.

Why isn't it more used? I think professional makers are concerned with authenticity and follow the Italian models. Use of a 4-turner might not be an intrinsically bad esthetic choice, but it's a sign of ignorance of historical tradition. (For the record, I think they are interesting, too.)

Mark_W

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Yes, I've also had some failed searches on topics I know existed. Admin, take note.

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Capelin, sorry, I must have erased those old images.

Mark_W

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Originally posted by illuminatus:

There was a thread about the scroll, but I can't seem to find it. There was a picture of Maggini style scroll. Something's wrong with the search engine.

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Thank you all for replying.

2Violet, this is exactly what I was looking for.

Mark_W, your explanation makes good sense. If this is indeed the reason, makers are more hidebound than customers or players -- I'd love to have a scroll like this on my violin, and wouldn't be the least concerned with the instrument being historically correct. A photograph doesn't do it justice, but that extra turn really draws and intrigues the eye.

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Donuel,

the really good Maggini copies were done by John Fredricks, and August Gemunder. Since August's Uncle George worked for Vuillaume, it is easy to make the conection that August had a better varnish than the German works at the time.

An original Maggini scroll has about 3/4 less turn to the eye. Somewhere it got started in Germany that Maginii's had 1 extra turn, as well as double purfling. Not All Maggini violins have double purfling.

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Capelin,

Yes, the extra turn is not authentic. It first turned up in German 'copies'. Maggini scrolls (and I think also da Salo) have a distinct undercutting of the turns of the scroll. Genuine 'Magginis' are quite rare but I have had the opportunity to examine one belonging to a London musician and have made a couple of copies - it is liberating to cut a scroll ignoring all the teaching about keeping the sides of the turns parallel!. A few years ago there was an excellent illustration of a scroll in a Strad poster of a beautiful Maggini viola although I can't remember exactly when. I have a few fairly poor b&w pictures of a Maggini scroll which I can scan for you if you need them, but the Strad poster is much better.

Derek

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