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I just read a little bio from a poster...who called himself an 'adult beginner' and his two children an '11-year old pianist' and a '9-year old violinist'. Which has me wondering about labels again (if labels matter...and if they don't...don't worry about it! ). This is just taking the discussion a bit further than the poll I posted last week... I tell people I play the violin...but I'm not a violinist. My daughter has her Grade 10 RCM piano...but she's not what I'd consider a pianist. In both instances - neither one of us is what I consider fluent enough, at a high-enough level, to qualify. I don't know that children as young as 9 or 11, no matter how talented...have arrived either ... So? What exactly are we all?