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"Wood" (pun intended ) it be handy to have brief "glue facts" all in one place? After almost 20 years of reading opinions about glue use with regards to violin making, it seems that confusion and misinformation hasn't really abated. ***This is very rough info. I'll edit/reorganize as I have time.*** Feel free to post info, experiences and opinions! For more detailed information on any of the following please consult Wikipedia. 1. Wood glue: catch-all term used for a myriad of glues used to hold wood together. Pros: Glues wood. Cons: Catch-all term. Can be confusing as to chemical make-up. 2. Hide glue: Made from animal collagen found in animal hides. Comes in different strengths; examples: 251 g (8.9 oz) is normally used for instrument building, 192 g (6.8 oz) is most commonly used for woodworking and the lower strength 135 g (4.8 oz) can also be used for general woodworking. Pros: Non-toxic if ingested (similar to gelatin). Does not creep. Can be "unglued" relatively easily. Cystals, if kept dry, have an indefinite shelf life. Cons: Crystals need to be mixed with water and heated - requires constant supervision. May smell bad. There are also different formulations available and not all are equal. Example: Liquid hide glue contains urea. 3. White glue or polyvinyl acetate (PVA)[hobby/craft glue]: Originally made from milk proteins AKA casein. Example: Elmer's Glue All. Also safe (if clean) and was used in classrooms. If yellow: called Carpenter's glue. Pros: Easy to use. Non-acidic. Used in bookbinding and as a wallpaper adhesive. Cons: Subject to degradation by various microorganisms. Will creep. Does not stick well to itself (when regluing). 4. Fish glue: A hide glue made from fish collagen, keratin or elastin. Different types of glue are formulated from different fish species/fish parts. Mostly used in various art endeavours. Pros: Safe. Cons: Weaker than regular hide glue. 5. Rice glue: A plant glue made from rice. Pros: Safe. Transparent when dry. Non-acidic. Reversible. Cons: A weak glue. 5. Muscilage: Made from plants. Edible. Historically used on envelopes, the back of stamps and for classroom use. Largely discontinued in favour of newer formulations. Pros: Safe and edible. Cons: Weak adhesive prone to drying out. Best for temporary use. 6. Cyanoacrylate (CA): A synthetic, or "plastic" product. Different formulations exist, such as thin and watery, a thicker gel or foam. Pros: Very strong. Easy to use. Cons: Not reversible. Can glue living skin. 7. Epoxy: A group of basic components, or cured end products, of epoxy resins. Epoxy resins (AKA polyepoxides) are a class of reactive prepolymers and polymers which contain epoxide groups. Pros: Very strong, comparatively chemically inert when cured, won't melt or dissolve in heat and humidity. Cons: Toxic when uncured, two-element, requires preparation, irreversible. 8. Polyurethane glue: Similar to cyanoacrylate. Multipurpose. Waterproof. Will bond different materials together such as metal to wood. Pros: While uncommon in violin making, may be used when installing certain geared pegs. Cons: May bond poorly. Short shelf life (~1 year). Toxic: contains carcinogens.
I've noticed that fish glue has appeared in glue topics from time to time. Seven years ago I built a guitar using fish glue for the body, played it for a couple of years and then stored it. Yesterday I got it out to remove some fittings and found that the back was coming off. It doesn't look like a sudden failure because you can see threads of glue joining the binding to the tentellones (linings) which is a tension failure and there is also a shear failure where the tentellones are being pulled off the back. Either there was some residual stress in the joint or moisture movement in the wood has stressed the joint, but neither was more than usual. It has never been in a room that was hotter than 24 C and even that would be exceptional where the guitar was kept. At the time of building the guitar I concluded that the only advantage of the fish glue over hide glue was the long open time but ungluing was difficult. It might be OK for something with no stress, like the rosette, but then you may as well use white glue. I don't think I'll use it again.