From what I've seen, the gouges from Pfeil tend to have very steep bevels around 15 degrees or so. But I also don't know what kind of steel they use, it sure holds a super edge! I have a couple of Pfeils and I love using them. I just need to get more that are suitable for scroll work. The main set of gouges I'm using is from Wood River, which is Woodcraft's name brand. I found them for a steal on FB Marketplace, so I jumped on them. They do ok, but I'd prefer to use all Pfeil or better across the board.