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  1. May be Fussen would appears to be the center of all the Europeans violins . But I have too much to learn
  2. Right, I am not saying that there was no were any town in germany where violins was made, but I would not say that it was in this town of Fussen it was what we call a « school »for german violin making. Further more , from Fussen, gasparo Duiffopruggar, is more well known has the founder of the french making violin. This maker is more the leader of the french school of violin making from the town of Lyon where he spent the most of his life , that a founder of a german school . As I have been taught.
  3. OK but.. Maybe they had brain and liberty to do to think and to make, much more than us today. They were, travellers, and they were not prisonners of their school or city. I am talking about the ones whose name is still well known today. Anyway I like this violin much more than Before. Thanks all , funny and interesting forum. With good advices. I just miss a reply about measurments
  4. Ok thank you for your reply, I am not in any way as clever as you, but anyone knows that Markneukirchen IS the beginning of what we are allowed to call THE german school of violin making wich is continued to be pregnant in klingenthal, AND it is not exactly the same story for mittenwald . So I would say that I am not as wrong nor as « clueless » as you would like to let think. -p (even if I am) further, I am not talking about the end of the 19th C , but much before, and it is not very fairplay to try to ignore that there is ONE school in german making violin wich started in Mark Neukirchen, Maybe I am ignorant, but it comes from the books, not from anywhere, so If it is false, just say that the History begins today, we have to burn all what has been written for centuries... but perhaps it is.already done. Anyway, I would be interested in the book you wrote — It ‘s written specially for me maybe— thanks a lot I ll try to find the title.
  5. Sure! Nevertheless when 6 years ago a surely good violin maker said that an integral bass bar was not easier to do « (as I discovered trying to do one) » eventhough not being from the Kligenthal school of violin, why would it be forbiden for a « Neighbour » of kligenthal ( I.E mittenvald) to do a saxon scroll, ( so good and very nice one as I have never seen) or even an integral bass bar.? Maybe to try , why not, may be to show how He ‘ll do it this kind of scroll, maybe just because it is a german way of making violin, ( markneukirchen) and as a german He wants to rediscover that. ( ... yes why always trying to copy the italians, the german style could be good if done with care) And it is a fortiori, a characteristic of the kloz family. I see absolutely no reason for a Kloz to refuse to do a saxon scroll, and as I read an american violin maker says they did . So why not ? If 150 later on a violin maker expert says « this label is false and fake BECAUSE jacobsounders was not from kligenthal and he would never do a integral bassbar » he will be surely wrong. ( according to: he not only tried, but he arrived)
  6. 1- So do you mean that « there is no rules about the measurments who was established clearly and followed for the said « classical violin »? Or do you mean that « they were established but not followed in germany? « Or do you mean « it is not the first thing? « I am so surprised because every expert use that immediately after the first look to the instrument. You don’t take care about it? And, about the klotz scroll ( mittenwald) I read this: « The Klotz family made instruments and taught many other families in the area the violin trade. Authentic Klotz violins have very distinctive corners and top/back graduation-style as well as the look of the f-holes and a saxon scroll » so the differrence between the two schools (ie : Mittenwald / Kligenthal) are not « followed without any exception ». Maybe.?
  7. You don’t take any care, apparently, about the measurements of the violin, but I think it is the first thing to do, before anything else to have a good period for dating the violin. Am I wrong?
  8. Ok thank you all, very good help and information. I got this violin for the amasing and nice sharp.. Very different of all I had seen before. I was very surprised by the inside work who was absolutely not equal to the external appearance. I got it a very long time ago. I think it would be today I would do the same because of the nice patern, good varnish, and nice finish in this type. Thank you for all your explanation, this one has no corners, an integral bassbar, a very rougnly finish on the inside of the belly. I had absolutely no idea of the value, but it was in my eyes a typical real german violin . Maybe a klotz family as I read on the label. Today I am quite happy it is not a violin of a good value, because I was sadly seeing it in this state. Years ago somebody use it as if it was a hammer... so it has been well broken.. And I kept it far away from my eyes. Today I find it still quite interesting for it’s original pattern and his integral bass bar without any modification.. it looks like to me a « cas d’école » . Good model of the history of the violin . (Sorry for that french word, but I think it’s clear for all. ) I have got another « klotz ». Wich is probably more interesting as a klotz. Thank you all . Good help and informations.
  9. Thanks and what about this bass bar?: « The Dutzendarbeit bellies were roughed out with integral bass bar, until they developed a routing machine which made fitting and gluing a bass bar necessary. This was a remnant of the old Markneukirchen tradition and was neither quicker, easier or a short cut (as I discovered trying to do one) »
  10. Thanks a lot , I read it carefully. It’s very interseting, this criterion are valuable for wich historic periode , approximatively? Thank you .
  11. Your analysis with this differents criterions of identification as a geographical area is valuable for wich periode approximatively? Date to date? Please , thank you.
  12. Thanks for your analysis . I paid attention . Overall , on the different beer. I prefer the one litre glasses.