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  1. "Roth, Ernst Heinrich I - Markneukirchen & Bubenreuth Ge. - 1902 to the 1930's -

    average to very high quality, the best being made by Roth, others by workers in his factory. 15 different models with the 120R as the lowest and the XVR the highest, these numbers do not appear on the labels, use the model name and date as the guide - hence a Guarneri 1734 is a IIR and thus on the lower end of the quality level.

    (comments after the models are taken from the 1924 book by R H Roth).  E H Roth II came to the US in 1921 and worked for some other firms.  

    In 1932, he established the Scherl and Roth firm with Max Scherl, they imported the E H Roth violins as well as others. ..."

     

    * coted from :

    https://violininformation.webs.com/tradeinstruments.htm

  2. Roth, Ernst Heinrich I - Markneukirchen & Bubenreuth Ge. - 1902 to the 1930's - average to very high quality, the best being made by Roth, others by workers in his factory. 15 different models with the 120R as the lowest and the XVR the highest, these numbers do not appear on the labels, use the model name and date as the guide - hence a Guarneri 1734 is a IIR and thus on the lower end of the quality level. (comments after the models are taken from the 1924 book by R H Roth).  E H Roth II came to the US in 1921 and worked for some other firms.  In 1932, he established the Scherl and Roth firm with Max Scherl, they imported the E H Roth violins as well as others. In more recent years, the Roth brand has been distributed in the US by Glaesel and then Conn Selmer.  The quality from the 1920's has never been repeated IMHO.

    120R - Stradivari 1700 (made by Albert Roth)
    130R - Stradivari (varnished by E. H. Roth)
    140R - Amati (one piece backs and scrolls have blackened edges)
    IR (305) - The Professional - Stradivari 1714
    IIR (316) - The Soloist - Guarneri 1734
    IIIR  - Amati 1670 (lacks volume but has other pleasant qualities)
    IVR (306) - The Soloist - Stradivari 1718 (brown varnish)
    VR - Ruggeri 1685 (ladies violin - slightly smaller)
    VIR (314) - The Concertmaster - Guarneri 1732
    VIIR (304) - The Concertmaster - Stradivari 1724 (the VIIR and the VIIIR are reversed in the 1924 catalog, my models are as listed in the 1964 catalog) 
    VIIIR - The Stradivarius - Stradivari 1722 (varnish style deviated from the Strad)
    IXR - The Guarnerius - Guarneri 1736
    XR - Stradivari 1725
    XIR - (custom made and signed by E. H. Roth in both Strad and Guarneri models)
    XVR - the finest made in various models - very rare                                                                  Some additional Roth Label information observed and from trusted sources, it hasn't always been fully to these statements, so have it looked at in person and specifically with Roth's, the Roth firm in Germany will authenticate:                                Very Early Roth's sold under the Simson & Frey Virtuoso label                                    No serial #'s prior to 1925, in 1925 serial numbers were 3 or 4 digit with no letter         Before 1953, serial number was only on the label                                                        From 1954-59 the brand was a football shape                                                              Again in 53, serial numbers were 3 digits, then a star and three digits                          Late 50's letter than 4 digits                                                                                            In the early 70's, they started branding the upper block                                    Germanic style lettering started on the labels  in the 80's                                              In the 1980's a number was added after the letter, so E1= 1981                                    1990's - F2 =1992                                                                                                          2000's - G2 = 2002 

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    * Source:

    https://violininformation.webs.com/tradeinstruments.htm

  3. 13 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

    Ok, so tell us if Pandah's violin is from Mittenwald or from Vogtland, so I know if this thread was a waste of my time or not

    of course not wasting your time , i learned alot from your experience such as "cornerblockology", also i learned about the methods of violin making (in mold , out mold ,or No mold "back to back"), so i appreciate your knowledge.

    so i believe this is a "Vogtländisch violin" 

  4. 12 minutes ago, Rue said:

    Adding them to an old thread without a reason would make them too hard to find.

    that's right, because i'm starting my research and some links are not working or deleted already , that's way i'm adding them a little bit late .



     

     

    16 minutes ago, Rue said:

    In that case, I would start a new thread with those photos (if you have permission to use them) and clearly state what they are about.

     

    i have to mention the link of the source as scientific integrity :

    http://vi.vipr.ebaydesc.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemDescV4&item=330703090882&t=1331945090000&seller=pahdah_hound&excSoj=1&excTrk=1&lsite=0&ittenable=false&domain=ebay.at&descgauge=1&cspheader=1&oneClk=2&secureDesc=0&oversion=9a327389

     

    anyway, thanks for your post.

     

     

  5. 26 minutes ago, jacobsaunders said:

    Is you post a statement or a question, or something else?

    for documentation, because some websites updating their sites, or removing some posts , so i'm trying to save them for the Maestronet members, for educational purpose
     

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