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Wood Butcher

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  1. The violin shown in the pictures looks to be the standard Markneukirchen/Schonbach trade violin, made in their thousands.
  2. It will depend on how much mayonnaise was applied.
  3. Which could also apply to cars, houses, wine, golf clubs...
  4. I would agree with the gist of what you say. However, as an example, no-one would pay 30% extra between 2 identical models,of Jay haides, because the shop owner felt one sounded better.
  5. I will disagree with you. Being such a subjective, and hard to define quality, the sound isn’t much of a factor, if at all. Despite when buying something, that it’s the primary thing we look for. Most pricing seems to go on maker, country, condition, and to an extent age/provenance.
  6. Because the treble and bass sides could be reversed, depending on how it is measured and presented on the poster.
  7. I just posted these exact words in a different thread, but it could still apply here: If your time has no value to you, then I wish you the best of luck in your bargain hunting, which could last for many years. Or, you could skip to the chase, pay a fair price for a good violin, and get on with playing it
  8. If your time has no value to you, then I wish you the best of luck in your bargain hunting, which could last for many years. Or, you could skip to the chase, pay a fair price for a good violin, and get on with playing it.
  9. No, almost all violins were made with the neck and pegbox from the same continuous piece of wood. A neck graft was done in the past, as a method to lengthen the neck, when baroque period instruments were modernised. It is also done as a repair, if for example, a neck was snapped in an accident.
  10. I agree, these violins bear no resemblance to an actual Amati. Those who claim they are copies, clearly have never seen an Amati, or probably any good violin.
  11. The pegbox is real, it is the neck graft which is simulated. A neck graft involves the old scroll, being grafted onto a brand-new neck. The flame of the neck, and grain lines will always be different to each other, and the joint between the two parts is usually noticeable. On very cheap violins like this, which have antiqued finish, they often added features of age, simply by scratching lines into the wood, and rubbing dirt into the scratched lines. This then gives an appearance of a neck graft, but only until you look closely (or not even that closely in this case).
  12. I’m a bit confused, you are a dealer or restorer, but don’t know what it is worth once fixed?
  13. Agreed. Wherever the OP is located, they should purchase from a well known store in their country. Buying online and trying to get the cheapest price can easily mean fake goods.
  14. This has been my experience too. It seems that when a violin is working exceptionally well as a system, if we could term it that, things can be right on the edge of controllable. With some it needed all of my skill and more, and had to really concentrate, but the results were in some ways almost an epiphany.
  15. Given the state of affairs, I'd wager that the entire violin is of such poor quality, that whatever decisions you ultimately decide to make, will make very little difference. Better to save wasting more time, and just move onto a better example, with at least some potential.
  16. All of which is bad news for the Whales
  17. Ah, how remiss of me. I forgot that a rank amateur's violin making retirement project outperformed all other violins.
  18. Firstly, the making style. The plain maple, the floorboard used for the belly, the colour, the brutal antiquing. All of these, and the fact it looks identical to thousands of others.
  19. And so they will continue to flourish. There seems to be something about human nature, which drives people to spend thousands of hours trawling every possible online grot fest, rather than going instead to the most obvious place. In a shop, a good Collin-Mezin is running somewhere around €18,000+. You could go to a shop, buy one fully restored, with guarantees, CITES certificate, insurance valuation, and perhaps even a future trade in value arrangement too. You could then enjoy playing an excellent French violin, which made you very happy, inspired you, improved your playing, while also making you the envy of your orchestral colleagues. Or...... You could waste years of your life trying to find one online, at a quarter of the price, from an unscrupulous source, and knowing that you are going to get f***** over, yet somehow choose to ignore that fact. Then, when you get this thing, it is a source of disappointment, needs repairs, and of course there are serious doubts about its authenticity. Still, at least it only cost €6,000 so that's good, right? It still looks and smells old. Ultimately, after some time, it gets put in the case and shoved under the bed, while a new search starts online for another violin. Ooooh! There are a lot of nice ones advertised from France, and the prices are so reasonable... The world creaks round for another day, and the sun starts to rise in Bordeaux...
  20. There will be no "maker" as such. These violins were made in huge numbers, in large workshops, by anonymous workers. Date wise, it will be from around early 20th century, or possibly a bit later. The blackening around the edge at the C bouts, looks very strange, which I assume is a later addition.
  21. Pipper, as you are clearly looking for a Collin-Mezin, you would be best served by going to a good shop. Wasting endless hours looking at instruments from eBay, ands it’s dodgy sellers will only lead to disappointment and frustration.
  22. If you put a bow with a genuine whalebone lapping, and a piece of modern plastic lapping from your bow bench next to it, and use UV lamp, you will see how different it looks.
  23. It may be the most expensive on public record. Most of us are not privy to the prices brokered by dealers, or privates sales from auction houses. I’m assuming the buyers, and perhaps sellers, in most cases, are looking for a high level of discretion. Do you happen to know what a cello might change hands for privately?
  24. In the absence of familiarity to tell visually, a UV light will help.
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