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  1. Hello, not everything on the internet is an eBay violin. This is from a dealer in my city quite on the other side of the world (unfortunately the dealer could not supply any more information about this label). I'm just trying to figure out if this is the 100-year old equivalent of the premade and finished Chinese violin with an Italian label, at that time courtesy of Germany (signs seem to point to yes as Martin pointed out).
  2. Anybody have any info on this name? I'm looking for a new violin and found one I quite like with this label. The little info I could find online indicate that he probably simply finished and sold pre-made violins from the usual region, although this violin comes with a certificate identifying it as a Saccani, for what it's worth. The price range puts it a bit above double the auction record I could find for this name, but this example does look better than most of the images I've seen. Still a lot cheaper than a well-known named Italian maker of the era (early 1900s), but am I just paying a premium for a Bohemian violin imported into Italy? How do violins like this fit in the market?
  3. I sent the bow to Mr. Gruenke and got the following comment: "It's Suess school, Augusrlt Nürnberger at its best with wood from his grandfather. Great bow" It will complement my Adolf Nurnberger bow well! Father and son.
  4. Yes! I mentioned it in my first post but perhaps English is too fuzzy. The frog and screw are rusted together, and I'm guessing this has also caused the split in the handle. In fact, strange as it sounds I like buying German bows with cracks in that area - it prevents them from being playable at auctions and tends to provide a significant discount but can still be securely repaired with a rebushing, unlike cracks past the handle or in the head, which devalue much more because there is always lingering risk.
  5. Luckily it appears to be only a dent (one of many). The crack is located in the handle of the bow I'm pretty good at finding beat up bows. I emailed Mr. Klaus Gruenke, who commented that it was an "interesting bow indeed" and reminded him of the previous bow I'd sent him, an Adolf Nurnberger, but that he had no idea about the stamp. Attached are two more photos, one showing all the dents you could imagine (as well as what I think is a nice rare wood color) thanks to harsh daylight, as well as another angle of the stamp, which is still indecipherable.
  6. Recently purchased this interesting bow online. It has "MADE IN GERMANY" stamped in tiny letters on the stick BEFORE the winding. My research indicates that this means it was made for export to the UK - I know this started around 1887 there. does anybody have any idea how long this requirement lasted in the UK? The main stamp is unintelligible and in italics- is it possible for this to be a later addition? I bought this bow because I thought the craftsmanship and quality of wood looked good, although the wear is terrible (rusted screw, split etc).
  7. It's cracked all the way through, and may have already been incompetently glued. Just wondering how secure lower head repairs (as in wood replaced inside etc to strengthen) are compared to upper head repairs (like say, splines). I've already shipped the bows to a well known shop for repair. They are busy so I'm going to have to wait a while for a reply (unfortunately there is nobody local in my part of the world for this kind of work). In the meantime from my pictures I finally deciphered the stamps, hence my creating this thread. That Lyon & Healy stamp is quite mangled!
  8. That's what I thought too. Any idea how secure repairs of this type of damage are? Luckily I paid very little for these, so I'd like to get them fixed up as best as I can.
  9. Yeah, the button doesn't really match the Tubbs style, but who knows. Here are a few more profiles of the bows (L&H first then the RWB bow), although I know they aren't great photos. I've sent them straight to getting fixed up.
  10. Thanks for that. Lyon & Healy did important some Bazin workshop bows and the like but they also imported German bows, and based on the cut of the button collars and other details I'm sure both are German. Who supplied them I'm not certain, I've only found some unknown maker and cheap Lyon & Healy bows on the online auction records but this looks like a nicer one. Just to be clear, the bow with the crack in the head is the Wurlitzer bow, the other one is the Lyon & Healy.
  11. Does anybody have any information on German bows made for Wurlitzer Brothers and Lyon & Healy? I've recently purchased two bows online, one having a RWB stamp (with a Tubbs style frog?) at the frog and another with *Lyon & Healy, Chicago* on one side and what I think is Tourte on the other side. Here are some pictures, I'm sorry the bows are in poor condition and I can't get better photos as I don't have the bows yet. I know Wurlitzer imported early Albert Nürnbergers and Leon & Healy imported some Schuster, Pfretzschner and Bazin bows, but the style of this bow looks a bit different. It's hard to find much information about what these shops imported and when they where active.
  12. To my amateur eyes it looks completely German from around the second half of the 19th century and possibly not pernambuco but still of reasonable quality? The stick is quite dirty and I'm far from an expert but I'd bet on it being German. To me if you ignore the stamps nothing looks English.
  13. I've had some degree of success on eBay. That being said, I 'specialize' (as much as an amateur collector and professional musician can) in violin bows, which I think are a bit easier to photograph and identify. I stay far, far away from violins. I've approached eBay more as a discount version of the 'wholesale' traditional auctions - not a place to get pennies on the dollar but a place where, very occasionally I can find a nice German or a decent workshop French bow at around half the price of the big auctions. I've also been not afraid to make use of a seller's return policy or eBay's buyer protection if there is clearly damage different from the description. I always contact the seller to get better pictures, and then get the condition states very clearly if hasn't been already. Probably my best buy was a silver mounted Labarte bow with an obscure stamp (but still easily found with a little research) that I won for 250gbp from an ebay antique shop. Perfect condition and weight. Got it certified with a valuation of 2000eur by Raffin. So good but not crazy cheap - certificates add a lot at this price range! I've goten a number of quality German bows from eBay. The more mysterious nature of unstamped old German bows can give you some discounts but you have to be careful discerning them from all the cheap stuff made with similar style. Here's my latest catch. Certified as Adolf Nürnberger by Gruenke with a L. Bausch stamp! Condition of the frog and button is not great but the stick is good. After repairs and certificate the total cost is around 2000euro, so not exactly a steal. I'm waiting for the valuation and I'm not sure what to expect but for me it is worth it as the bow turns out to have exceptional playing qualities. Here is a nice Nürnberger from eBay (highly flamed wood in real life) that ended up costing around the same after refurbishment. Almost mint condition. Supposedly the property of a deceased music teacher in Oklahoma. So for me you can get deals on eBay, but you aren't going to be smarter than everybody else. Except a discount on Tarisio prices, due to increased risk, but don't think there aren't other eyes looking. And the good deals have been decreasing a lot lately.
  14. In my opinion the bow is too tradey to really be able to assign any particular style other than cheap, although if the bow has no major issues then it may certainly be worth restoring. The frog is more of a fantasy inspired by some Vuillaume features, but the way the round stick seating for the frog goes all the way to the end of the stick is a sign of very low end work. The shape of the frog in fact reminds me of Millant's special frog design although he would probably resent the comparison my theory is that more than likely the unusual frog design is to make the bow stand out in catalogues, which is why you see so many 'fancy' frog designs in low end German bows. by the way, not sure about all the hate being shown at Vuillaume style ferrules. Is this an accepted thing? I'm an professional orchestral violinist and my favored bow has a vuillaume style frog, never had any issues with the hair as long as I get a good rehair.
  15. Beautiful bows, thanks for sharing! Is it safe to say that bows that display prominent figuration tend to be unstained/not artificially darkened bows? I can't help but share a recent acquisition of mine from, of all places, eBay - a Nurnberger supposedly from the estate of a 'strings teacher' that I 'buy it now'ed. The dark low quality photos had convinced me that it was a genuine Nurnberger, but imagine my surprise when it arrived and it had the most spectacular wood! It's also my first fine bow without artificially darkened wood. The bow is actually layered in sticky rosin grime and I can't get the figure to photograph as vividly as the pros here but I'll share some photos. Interestingly the flame pops out much more on my cell photos with flash - I suspect a flash for my big camera would help. Interestingly, the bow feels light and flexible- typically flamed wood seems to make heavier bows. Another bow with heavy flaming that I remember is this nice Charles Peccatte from Tarasio. Love it!