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  1. Not to worry Herman. As I indicated before, there's no way I would sell it for a couple of hundred or even a couple of thousand.
  2. Gentlemen, Thank you very much for your help and the invaluable information. So from this discussion, I’m reminded that all is not as it seems; no surprise in a world of “alternative facts”. Even the original label, written in nonsensical Latin, was a sales gimmick, intended to fool intended purchasers they were buying a “Cremona” violin. So, the only statement that can be made with a high degree of confidence about the violin is that it was probably made in Saxony. Who actually made it and the year it was made is anyone's guess. The auction information from 1993 is in British pounds. In 1993 the conversion rate to the dollar was about 1.5, so a valuation of the low thousands is in the ball park, if it were in pristine condition. The only other variable is the sound. Another luthier I took it to had a favorable reaction when he played it. You were asking about the case and bows. The case is probably mid 20th century made by Roth. It’s hard plastic, olive in very good condition. It also has a canvas, zipper outer case showing signs of wear.. It probably isn’t worth a lot. For the bows, I’m including an estimate from the luthier, found on page 2 of the attached file. They were made in the 1920s and 1930s, according to the estimate. I have no idea how accurate these estimates are. The estimates are in euros and the conversion rate is about 1.12 euros to the dollar. I'll try to send some additional pictures if possible. If anyone has planned a vacation in the south of France and wants to see the violin, I'm in Sete. If you have any additional questions, don't hesitate to ask. Once again, thank you for your help. Jeff Estimations valeur Sanger.pdf
  3. Thank you for the information Franciscus. It's too bad no one in my family plays the violin. I think it was meant to be heard and that's the reason I'm considering selling it. It has a nice case and two bows as well.
  4. Very interesting and useful information Blankface. Thank you for your contribution. If the violin is not worth much, as you say, of course I'll keep it.
  5. Thank you Deans. I have an appraisal from a luthier in Montpellier who valued it at 10K Euros, which I find difficult to believe, but I think he knows more about violins from Mirecourt than Saxony. I supposed 3K would be a more reasonable amount and this is more in line with your estimate. I'll see if I'm now able to insert more pictures. I really appreciate your help.
  6. Actually there is a little history associated with this violin. This picture was taken November 27, 1962 at the White House. The little boy is John Kennedy Jr. The Marine bandsman holding this violin is my father. Thank you again for your help.
  7. Thank you for the translation George. When I ran the text through Google Translate last year, it made no sense.
  8. Hi Jeff. Nice name; say as mine. I'm afraid I'm not smart enough to answer your question. Perhaps someone else knows. Thanks for your input.
  9. Hi Deans. Thank you for your help. I don't believe it has an inlayed patch. I'm sorry, I am not a violinist and have to plead ignorance regarding the technical aspects of violins. I will post some more pictures which may help you determine the condition. If the violin isn't worth much, I'll probably keep it.
  10. Hello and thanks for your help. Was the violin you saw made by Friedrich Wilhelm Meisel? From what I've read, the Meisels were a family of violin makers and there were a number of them, such as Christian Friedrich, Johann Christoph, Johann George. There is a repair ticket dated 1911 from a Berlin firm called Neuner on Lutzow Str. 86. I took the violin to a Luthier in Montpellier, France. He wrote the following description. Sorry, it's in French but perhaps you can understand it. Violon de fabrication allemande 18ème siècle portant une étiquette de Friedrich Wilhelm et une autre de réparation de L. Neuner à Berlin de. Fond en érable maillé en deux parties sans onde de 35,6 cm de longueur Eclisse du même bois mais avec onde fine et régulière Table en épicéa à veine très serrée à moyenne vers les bords Tête sans onde avec enture et rebouchages des trous de chevilles et pièce sur volute Vernis brun orangé transparent et uni Instrument original dans toutes ses parties et en état de jeu. Fond et éclisses en très bon état excepté une trace de vers anciennement rebouchée sur l’éclisse du haut coté grave, la table présente de nombreuses fractures anciennement restaurées dont une fracture d’âme avec pièce d’âme. The violin was used by my father who played on Broadway and later served as a member of the United States Marine Band in Washington DC during the Kennedy and Johnson administrations. I suspect the sound isn't too bad, if he used it to play in the White House in the 60s and 70s. I'll post some more pictures. Once again, thanks for your help.
  11. Additional photos are available.
  12. I’m looking for the current value of a violin made by Friedrich Wilhelm Meisel in 1782 in I believe Quittenbach, Saxony. I am aware of the violin maker’s reputation (not exactly one of the greatest) but perhaps this antique violin from the 18th Century may have some value to a collector. The violin has been in my family for around 80 years. I am considering selling it as I'm a musician but not a violinist. Any information would be very helpful. Thank you in advance for your opinion.