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  1. 39 minutes ago, Vion said:

    Do you think it is worth going to the luthier and repairing it?

    Personally, I don't. The sound post crack in the back by itself makes it essentially worthless. It is impossible to predict if "it will have good sound," but you would be better off spending your money on a violin in good repair that you can play. 

  2. So, these are my kinds of questions:

    If you are in the EU, is there a financial penalty for selling a violin at auction in Great Britain? If so, how much?

    If you are in Great Britain, is there a financial penalty for selling a violin at auction in the EU? If so, how much?

    Do you pay more as a buyer in the EU if you buy a violin in an auction in Great Britain than someone  in Great Britain would pay?

    Do you pay more as a buyer in Great Britain if you buy a violin in an auction in the EU than someone  in the EU would pay?


  3. 53 minutes ago, ViowiessCo said:

    Yes, we started with a traditional shape.

    The shape is a function of working with a different material, the aesthetics are a secondary and subjective.  Polymer bridges that copy a traditional shape do not work as well.

    Sorry to hear that. Thanks for the reply.

  4. It has been about 10 months since Brexit took effect. During that period, Tarisio has opened an auction branch in Berlin. Today, Tariso's London October auction lists only 20 instruments whereas their new Berlin October auction lists 143 instruments.

    Is this an indication that Great Britain will no longer be an attractive country for international violin sales and auctions?

    I'd be interested in hearing thoughts and observations from both sides of the channel.



  5. 5 hours ago, martin swan said:

    So we must presume that EH Roth were pretty unconcerned about such things … 

    That is likely true for the 120-R "Model 1700." 

    The "Model 1700" is only a marketing term for the lowest-priced violin marketed by the firm. It most certainly is not a copy of a particular Stradivarius violin made in the year 1700, nor any particular Stradivarius, for that matter. 

    Nevertheless, the Model 1700s pre-1970 that I have seen have been decent violins, and some have been remarkably good. 

    Here is another 1936 Model 1700 from the National Museum of American History.

    Click on the "<< 1 of 2 >>" to see the pictures. Click on the picture to enlarge.


  6. 2 hours ago, martin swan said:

    If you can show a comparable example of a Strad 1700 model with these nicely fluted del Gesu f holes I’d  be keen to see it.

    Here ya go. Here is the OP's ffs to compare with 4 Roth 1700's of various vintages (1924 to 1974) plus a Roth II-R Guarnerius Model c. 1925. (These are some of the EHRs I have owned and saved pictures of throughout the years.)

    As you can see each 1700 model Roth has slightly different ffs, but they are all distinctly different from the Roth II-R Guarnerius Model, which also have more open C-bouts. The 1700s shown here also all had fluted ffs, but they don't show up as well in my pictures.








  7. On 10/7/2021 at 3:34 AM, martin swan said:

    With regard to the Roth violin two central points haven’t really been addressed.

    Firstly the violin is a Guarneri model not a Strad as labelled, so either the label is wrong or EH Roth past and present can’t tell the difference.

    Secondly, an EH Roth from the 60s would be branded Bubenreuth not Markneukirchen.

    I did address this.

    It is a Roth Strad 1700 model. It is absolutely not a Roth Guarneri model 1734 (II-R). The Roth Guarneri model is distinctly different than the  Roth Strad 1700 model. You can look it up. :-)

    The Roth Strad 1700 model was the firm's entry-level violin, and it was not a cookie-cutter violin, so it had variations in its construction (such as the button carving), but overall this violin absolutely fits a Roth Strad 1700 model. It is definitely not a Roth Guarneri model 1734.

    I can't address the repairs and modifications that it has had over the years, but I believe it is what the label says it is.

  8. It is a lovely violin in good condition, well-setup, the OP is very happy with the sound, and he selected it after trying many violins at different price points from different shops within about a 250 mile radius. In short, he did his research and made a good choice for what he was looking for.

    I have purchased several fine violins from Bromberg's shop over the years, and I have found his prices to be both reasonable and in-line with other dealers, both locally and nationally. I have no hesitation whatsoever in recommending his shop to colleagues and friends.

    As @Violadamoresuggests, price discussions on MN tend to go nowhere fast.


  9. 4 hours ago, Bob K said:

    As a totally non-expert, I have general question - did the top 'imitation vieux' JTL models like this sometimes have blackened peg boxes, akin to those more typically found on 'Markies'? In my limited experience of (lower end) JTL and other Mirecourt factory models I've encountered, including my own 1920s 'Copie de Antonius Stadivarius Cremonensis' labelled example this is not something I would expect to see.

    The "Copie de..." or "Copie Du..." labels can be found in clearly German instruments.

  10. 2 hours ago, chiaroscuro_violins said:

    Is there any circumstance under which it is even remotely ok to get simple green near a violin???  

    Yes, it works really well for removing old thick black rosin residues from hard varnishes. I have never experienced any problems using it. As with any cleaning agent, including water, always test first.

    The thread from which duane88's comment discusses the pluses and minuses of Simple Green and other cleaning agents.

  11. 9 hours ago, The Violin Beautiful said:

    I related his comments about its workmanship, the issues with its label, and the varnish. Post-war Roths have features that distinguish them from pre-war ones.

    Personally, I don't see anything that disqualifies this from being exactly what the label, stamp, and brand say that it is, regardless of what repairs or varnish tampering it has had.

    I would be interested in knowing what differences the expert saw to determine it is a doctored 1960's violin rather than a repaired 1936 violin. The Strad 1700 (120-R) models are very common, and they all look basically like this. 

    In regards to the soft varnish, @duane88 pointed out that old Roth varnishes can become permanently softened when cleaned with "Simple Green." So it would not be surprising to learn that this varnish is original but permanently softened and changed in appearance by cleaning with "Simple Green," or a similar cleaning agent. In fact, applying Occam's razor, I'd suggest that a cleaning agent is a more likely explanation for the softened varnish than a poor revarnishing.

  12. 5 minutes ago, martin swan said:

    The EH Roth firm should be competent to see the difference between a Strad model and a Guarneri model.

    The Roth Guarneri model (IIR: copy of Guarneri 1734) is quite different from the model of this violin.

    This is not a Roth Guarneri model, and to me it looks more like a Roth Strad model than a Roth Guarneri model. 

  13. 57 minutes ago, Hempel said:

    Unless my memory fails me nobody paid the requisite €65 or whatever for an EH Roth serial number "sanity check."  You even encouraged the OP to not go for the "sanity check."  (Yes, I realise the daughter's father is not/may not be the OP.)

    Actually the OP sent pictures and so-forth to EHR and got this reply:



    In our archive documents we can see, that this instrument “C - 410” is compare with 

    your pictures and we can see, that this instrument is genuine and it is a

    Model No. 51 / 120-R. from the EHR concert line.

    It was made 1936 here in Markneukirchen.


    So that is what EHR said. I do not know on what qualifications this "Expert" concluded that this violin was "a 1960s Roth that’s been doctored."

    I can understand the "doctored" part (particularly the varnish and whatever repairs it has had), but I have my doubts about it being from 1960s. I trust that EHR was able to match the serial number with the year and model.

    BTW, the daughter's father is not the OP.

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