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  1. I posted before (#197) that the few viennese violins of this period which I've seen "live" had an interesting mlticoloured varnish, more dark brown in a dimmed, but in a way redish in the bright light. It's visible in this Orpheon photos: http://www.orpheon.org/oldsite/seiten/Instruments/violine/vl-stadlmann.htm where the colour is red-brown in the first two, but more black-brown in the other pictures. Maybe someone beside me have noticed, that we are running in the second-placed most replied thread now, and it has several different discussion topics side by side, and that's what makes it very interesting. One reason is, IMO, the absence of heavy personal attacks, which poisoned so many former threads. Especially BassClef shows a lot of patience and a good sense of humour, congratulations! Sometimes even an adjective like "idiotic", at the right point, may cause an interesting discussion. In this way, it was also idiotic from me, to ask for a certification for your, Glenn, violin - my intention was, that I was wondering about the varnish and the clean inside wood. Also the pattern wasn't familiar to me with Leidolff violins, now I've got some more informations about it. I was only asking, if this points were discussed somewhere before, not intending to insult your highly interesting violin.
  2. There is a lot of modern copies of this tailpieces and pegs available, in Ebay or other internet shops, only google for "baroque tailpiece" or "baroque setup": cheap versions from China or India and expensive custom made pieces.
  3. Thanks for the good wishes - I didn't earn anything yet with this business, but let's see what the future will bring... But seriously, you asked for the varnish, and I told my first impressions - and never said, that it is not genuine at all and made the reservation being wrong. It is not unusual, that the varnish of the dark viennese violins was altered during 200 or 260 years: http://www.maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/327977-seb-dalinger/?hl=dalinger Your pictures looked as if (by clicking and zooming) the varnish is thick, fresh and stained at the back (the reddish colour), and it could be revarnished, especially because there is not much wear visble - just a few thoughts, not an appraisal. Very high ribs aren't untypical for viennese violins, and the pattern of Glenn's violin isn't untypical for a Leidolff, as I learned meanwhile.
  4. Hi Glenn! Maybe I'm completely mistaken, but your violin looks revarnished (the red colour very "stained"), it looks much different from the usual Leidolff patterns (the corners, C-bouts and F-holes), the date 1755 is hard to believe and the label could be an original one by Leidolff (difficult to decide by the small pic), but looks, as if it was freshly glued in not long ago, maybe after cleaning the inside, but possibly as a "switch-over". Has it a reliable certification?
  5. Within a google research for Phillipus Wurm I found this note: "In his Will of February 17, 1795, Johannes Radeck left 50 violin tables, and other parts, to each of his former luthier friends and colleagues, Philipp Jakob Wurm (1729-1803), Jakob Fux (1753-1819) and Franz Geissenhoff (1753-1821), (see Viennese Stringed Instrument Makers, 1700-1800: Richard Maunder, Journal of the Galpin Society Oxford, Vol.52, April 1999). It is probable that one of these men completed this instrument after Radeck’s death, using the parts, including the original printed labels, inherited from Radeck. Then, it would appear, he altered the date on the label according to the date of completion of the instrument and, perhaps, to distinguish Radeck’s work from his own." http://www.netinstruments.com/violins/violin/18th-century-austrian-violin-johannes-radeck/ 50 violin tables probably used by the other mentioned makers are a lot and don't make things easier - and surely there were some other heritages. Everybody who is bored now, should not wonder why he didn't learn in some years of reading MN.
  6. I have a small collection of old parchment and printed papers, which were used as repair stripes and I'm suspecting, that some of the repairers (or makers) weren't able to read the inscriptions and used it as an otherwise useless stuff. Maybe we will find someday a part of the Magna Charta glued under a table crack? For the quiz, the violin reminded me more of Pressburg, especially the scroll and F's J.G.Leeb ca. 1790 http://www.ries-geigenbau.de/hist_v2.html# but I was very afraid, that I would win the price. It might be probable, that all this named makers (Stadlmann, Wurm, Leeb) once shared the same workshop bench and you need a very subtle look to distinguish them - congratulation to the winner! And at last, I once received a violin similar packed, it survived with only the scroll separated from the neck, but all was fixed with adhesive tape, so no part was lost.
  7. I posted the picture to show, that the colour isn't black at all, as Jacob told, but more a chocolate brown, a bit reddish in a bright light, and with a touch of blue/violett. Hard to see in photos.
  8. There are almost two reasons, why a german business seller doesn't want to sell in Europe, especially to the European Union: 1.) He/She would be in the duty to pay the 19% german VAT (Umsatzsteuer), except it is sold to another professional seller outside of Germany, to Jacob for instance. 2.)The EU law would force him to accept returns for any reason within 14 days, of course only from private buyers - that means, Jacob couldn't return it, if it is as described. But he won't buy it for the asked price, and no other maker, I suppose. A Leidolff violin, 176..., probably made for his widow by another viennese maker (Thir?)
  9. I would be interested in opinions, which attributes would qualify these instruments as "Tyrolean". http://tarisio.com/pages/auction/auction_item.php?csid=2197880832&cpid=3212640256 http://tarisio.com/pages/auction/auction_item.php?csid=2197880832&cpid=2681978880 There were some former discussions on this forum about this origin - is it only geographical, or a specific style, which can be located in different countries (Bavaria, North Italy or even Prague) - or only another code for "I don't know exactly, but in a way referring to Stainer"? The viola is attributed to (not "by") Albani/Bozen, and Bozen is a tyrolean town. Another one is Vils. Füssen, for instance, is not located in Tyrol. Perhaps a member of Tarisio could give a statement?
  10. Of course this violin might be very suitable as a toy for a 1year old, cause this type is really robust.
  11. It's obvious, why the last thread was stopped, every discussion about this kind of advertising will unascapably lead to insults, in the last (now deleted) thread it started with sexual connotations.... you might asked Dr. Freud, why.
  12. I'm on your side with everything. But IMO there is a difference between "bargain hunting" and buying disproportional cheap, which does mean, you will make a profit in this deal. The least is a professional behaviour, which is legitimate, but always hazardous, and has requirements (knowledge, experience). You have to know the risk and mustn't complain, if you won't get, what you wished to get. If you know your stuff, you should be able to detect the deception, as is shown in this particular case (JA Beare and Beare & sons). That doesn't mean (in no way) "everything goes" or "be a crook, it's ok with me", I'm often very upset with dealers, which are acting scrupulous, not only for the buyers being betrayed, also because I feel, that it's like stealing from other competitors being more scrupulous and trying to be honest (like us ). There should be a way to regulate this market, at EBay it would be a strict duty for refund and buyer protection (nothing with "private, no return, no refund"). Or forums like MN can be a help to unexperienced buyers. And I cannot see a big difference to the famous "local dealers/makers", which are sometimes not much better. But I am often unable to feel much pity with people thinking they're making a big deal or getting a great bargain with buying very expensive from "reputable sellers", hoping to get a great violin for a small money (and small means some 1 000s, not only in the OP case) - it makes me jealous, that I don't have this kind of reputability, I need the money!
  13. As Jeffrey sometimes has pointed out, on EBay are not only some sellers "reputable robbers" , but also is a buyer, who believes, he is buying a high-end violin for 1% of the retail value, a kind of attempted thief in his eyes. I'm not really convinced, because I sometimes acted similar (buying very cheap), and I never felt like a thief or robber. Or if it was robbery, more in a Robin way
  14. Yes, Martin, I was droven mad by some postings - it's familiar to me, that some violinists often are suspecting clean old violins to be revarnished or chinese, especially from the distance (and from the right distance, 100 feet or more, a Scott Cao might look like a Cremonese). vlyosifov, thank you very much for trusting me, but I told everything I can say - for the austro-hungarian school you asked the right man before. You can look here http://www.paganini.cz/en/violins/violins---after-1920/ it's a nice collection of czech violins, although the pictures are not with a high resolution. I doubt, that the violin was made before 1920, and the varnish IMO was stripped by too intensive cleaning, not only by wear. As Martin told, this varnish was used nearly everywhere, from Sicilia (Puglisi) to England. As far as I know (and that's not much), czech, hungarian and Markneukirchen master violins of this time usually don't have such a delicate purfling and (slightly irregular) scroll, but there could be exceptions.
  15. And I remember many other violins, dating from the 1920's till, let's say, 1970's, with similar varnish, from different countries, including "MNk"(interesting acronym). This varnish is sensitive against sweat and polishing with solvents (spirit or some oils), and possibly somebody tried to clean it incautiously. But with some effort there might be a chance, to fake this appearance - also the irregular wear and the unsightly glued F-hole cracks. Jay Haide are trying to imitate this look, that's right, and It might be also possible, that they changed the style of their scroll and purfling for this instrument. Tailpiece and chinrest are obviously chinese, so I apologize for a rather brillant, but wrong expertising - I looked too much at the details, not the rather distant photos. (no emotic.)
  16. Robin Hood was a very reputable man, robbing the money from the rich and donating it to the poor. For me, I'm still poor, is it because I haven't got enough reputability to manage the first?
  17. Hi Martin, Billotet was just an idea; Viaduct shows a second Bilotet with very short corners, narrow purfling and a similar scroll; I remember, that some years ago Bongartz sold a Billotet with an identical varnish. Maybe there is somebody out there, who knows more about this maker and his workshop style. But I agree, that edges and purfling are pointing more to Mirecourt than Paris, if it is french at all. And you are right, that many Markneukirchen Guadagnini copies have similar F-holes. The problem with 20th century violins is, that many former typical styles were "exported", when a maker got his training in a particular workshop and went somewhere else later, that means globalisation.
  18. Who the hell does make such a faint brand, that we're going to get into a quiz? If Jacob has got an idea, I'm curious, if he will tell later. My first impression is french (or Mittenwald, of course, they often copied the french style). Bilotet would be an idea, in the 40's. Quote from Viaduct: Beside his label L. BILLOTET used two different stamps : one "L BILLOTET" placed to the inside back just over the label one inscribed in a circle placed half on the upper left corner of the label, half on the back. But the button seems to rule it out, as the scroll doesn't look Mittenwald alike. Martin: The broad, in a way disproportionate F-holes are IMO late Guadagnini style, not Markneukirchen.
  19. Is this remote control violin available in EBay? Some birthdays are coming soon. Two wheels or four?
  20. From my point of view all you people are talking from very different perspectives, and that's the reason for a lot of misunderstanding. BassClef, as I'm understanding, had two reasons for the purchase: 1) a toy for his 1year child, which has a particular appearance. 2.) an instrument, which she might use in about 12, 13 years. For the first point, he has done right, he might buy whatever expensive toy he likes. (although I doubt, that the child may notice the label connection to Austria, it's more for daddy) For the second, my (and nearly everybody's) opinion is: Done wrong. The professional repairer's(Jeffrey, JacobS) point of view: Don't waste time and money in this. The violin dealer's point (Lorenzo P): He should have done better, giving the money (and more) to me. For the prizing: I started my training with buying such kind of violins for 100 a box of 5-10 pieces (with label connections to every town in Europe), it made sense.
  21. For me it's ok with everything, and the best idea is to give it to your child to play around with it - my children used to play with similar stuff. But "technically Austrian" is technically wrong, look at here (german version of the K.u.K monarchy) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/Austria-Hungary1899.JPG Schönbach is located in the upper white area, near to the german border south of Dresden. This country was named "Böhmen", the country "Österreich", divided in Nieder- and Oberösterreich (Lower and upper Austria) is south of it. All this countries formed the austrian and hungarian "Doppelmonarchie" , Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary, but Austria itself was only a small part of it. So Schönbach was never austrian, it was bohemian. QED.
  22. Hi BassClef, thank you very much for your post, it gave and will give a lot of discussion stuff - you touched some very interesting points of restoring, dealing with and playing old trade fiddles! But at first a serious warning: Please never again call a dark bohemian trade fiddle from the late 19th century an old austrian violin and compare it with an old instrument from Vienna, because we all know somebody, who will become very, very angry, when he is going to read it. :angry: :angry: :angry:
  23. Of course it is, imported by Marco Polo, like the spaghetti. Seriously, before we start to discuss the invention of violin, we need to define, at which point a bowed instrument can be called violin. Similar the long foot of the crwth: It is not a movable soundpost like the modern, but an ancestor. When the long foot was divided from the upper part of the bridge, it started to be a modern soundpost. I don't know much about horse riding or cattle raising barbarians and their musical instruments, but I think, that we can agree, that the form of the modern violin is an amalgam of many different elements from very different cultures, not only from one mysteric ancestor, buried unknown somewhere in the eastern steppe. And that is, what makes it great.
  24. I doubt it: it sounds more like the crying, when they were hungry and the mother is away. When the ears are freshly opened, they can hear very high frequencies, the squeezing of the bow and other sounds, which are unhearable for older creatures. After 2 months they all (and we had a lot) stopped it, but why should they stop singing? BTW most of the small human children (2, 3 or 4 years old) mislike loud violin playing, too, even by a virtuose. They tell me, it's too loud and too shriek, they can hear very high sounds, which adults are unable to hear. One of my earlier male dogs (R.I.P.) used to sing along, when I started to sing to the guitar, another dog I knew howled with his master's bag pipe, a really martial duo. My actual companions don't flee from the vacuum cleaner, they attack it.
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