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  1. What piece/s are you doing?? Did you check if you play the same intonation like you sing? If not, do it. quote: Originally posted by: Bremkins Hi again, I'm writing cause there is a problem that is tormenting me for long time now. I'm talking about intonation. ... I need some ways to not get nervous, or some exercise to improve the intonation. Exams are coming so I must go through it... Thanks...
  2. H, your reaction is a surprise to me. So far I state everything with enough reasoning, and it is not my fault if you find them too complicated. I am sorry about the outcome.
  3. quote: Originally posted by: hanxiao ... absolutely check your third finger and fouth finger to the open strings. absolutely, whenever you can. Absolutely don't do it. You know the lower string (3rd finger) is flat, and the upper string (4th finger) should be sharp. The low third finger tries to pull down the fourth finger. That is the very reason why your 4th finger is flat. Play your 3rd finger a little sharp, as the music should be, that will solve the problem. It is not the reason that your 4th finger is weak. hanxiao, I did not know you like just a few words of praise, you did not tell me, that could be easy. But I thought you said you like the music to sound a little more sharp, so I showed you how to do it.
  4. If you always hold a baby thinking he may fall, he will never walk. You should not use anything like that and only use your ears. Mozart said anyone who do this kind of thing should drop violin and pick up farming instead. He did not overstate it. You should play violin like singing. Using markers make it easy for the teacher only. I am sorry.
  5. Nickia, your ears are VERY good. But they can get deceived. But art is the skill to deceive the senses, say a play on stage, the same stage can be where two lovers meet, and also where two armies fight against each other. You need to set it so it appears natural. Often you yourself get deceived. It is normal.
  6. > yeah you are right because I think I have been playing sharper second fingers for awhile now. I think sharper is harder to detect than flatter because it sounds more pleasant to myself eventhough horrible to others or in records. I always tend to play things sharper especially when shifting to another position, everything became sharper and sound ok because I've adjusted it but when I shift back to first position or there is a open string to be the reference point, I will recogznie I have playing sharp all the time. There is only one thing I tend to play flatter, it's the fourth finger simply because I have a relatively small hands and my fourth finger is not as good as other three. It is better you post your recording here because there can be different reasons. Many times, the high notes get too sharp for the simple reason that the very first note you started the piece was played a bit too sharp. Maybe you fix it simply by playing the first note a little flatter. The half tone, or semitone, is difficult to play. You should aim to be able to play a half-tone exactly in tune any time all the time. If you play Bb on the A string, you can tune a Bb against the D string as a minor sixth. You can also tune this same Bb against the E string, making a diminished fifth. Now move your finger a little higher so that you find another Bb which is also in tune to the E string. Now you get an augmented fourth with the E string. This higher Bb cannot be tuned to the D string. You need to be able to get either Bb in tune after the A any time at will. To get this in tune is a big and important step in playing in tune. The rumour that the seventh note may be or should be played a little sharper must never be believed. It will only cause your tonic, the do, the most important note in the key and the music, to sound flat. That is exactly what happened to Cat's Meditation in the Chinese forum. Her playing was fine until she hit the tonic. Then she became terribly out.
  7. > to my bad ears, the first one sounds more intune compare to the second one because in my opinion there are few seriously out of tune notes in the middle part of the second one. The second one's pitch sounds like a wave, up and down, sharp and flat. THe first one sounds more consistant in relative to the second. If you ask me, all newbies have good ears. It is after learning the wrong things that the ears get bad. I was fortunate. I fixed myself after went through getting bad. You are right. The second scale was difficult to play. I re-did it a few times, and it still sounded out of tune. I am sorry. It was too late at night, I should pratice it much more before I recorded it. It is out of tune. it should not be, since this scale is used in at least in the G maj Brahms sonata. Cannot quote another at this moment. This scale has all the tonic notes in tune. The first scale was easier for me. All the tonic notes are different. The very first A is flatter than the A string, the notes A are one higher than the previous with the octaves going up. You can simply sing to be correct. That is the easiest and best way. A scale is difficult to play because it does not have enough musical "meaning" to express its intonation. It would not help you much practising it, and you soon get confused between the two without knowing it. That is why practising a scale is mostly damaging.
  8. nickia, which piece of music? Intonation (or pitch) of notes are different in different pieces of music, and even in different locations in the same piece. You can first record your singing, even only a little bit of it, and listen to make sure you like your own singing, then you play against your recorded singing, or sing while you play. You will find that you may play very differently from how you sing, then you must fix. If you play differently from how you sing, you can be sure you are out of tune. Notes are very often different from the open strings, so do not depend too much on checking against open strings. You can check if the note written in the music is so obvious that it can only be played on an open string with no other reasonable possibility, then that note is defining, and that must be in tune, and all other notes (the whole piece) will be adjusted to make that good. That is why we should avoid playing music casually changed into other keys than the original.
  9. quote: Originally posted by: violizzy Could you play the scale slower? It is a bit hard to hear what you mean if you're playing so fast. Liz, if you record a little of whatever you are practising up here it is easier for me to show you what the scale is doing inside the music. But you can notice the highest A in the first scale is very sharp, do you? My playing is not precisely in tune all the time. But this does not affect very much the musically effect of the different scales. No student (of course teachers) would ever thought the first scale can be correct, since every A is different and is "out of tune" when checked against the open A string.
  10. quote: Originally posted by: hanxiao ever since miles reminded me of the confucisu virtues, i have awaken to modesty. is it possible that the first note on my MIG is flat? yes, very possible. as i said before on false notes, anyone anytime can make a mistake. for me, at my level, it is very likely that the first finger note this time and next will differ simply because my skill level does not afford me the luxury to be that consistent. 44% flat? something between 43 and 45? i am going to cry like a little school girl now... i will report you for hurting my feelings. i try to play the score as written, and in this case Beethovan put the harmonic sign on the high A, which i did and you did not. i hate to sound condescending on behalf of mr b, but but but ,,,,,never mind. OG is correct in calling both of us insane. i used to think i am more so. Now i am not so sure. You get it all wrong. A beginner is always best musically (a beginner on violin, but you are not a beginner in music. You learn violin because you appreciate music to the extend you like it so much, so music wise you are already very advanced) . It is all the "training" that spoils him. You can tell the difference between my differenct playing, and it proves that you are very ok. Imagine how angry I was when I found out that I was "taught" so that I lost all my attraction and played to sound dull and stupid? Playing the violin should not be like what you just mention, that you MUST need any "skill level". Do we need a skill level just to walk? Yes, there are things to overcome, but music should be natural. It should be just spontaneous and automatic, like singing. Do a singer ever need to watch how much muscle movement he needs on his vocal chords? You played flat because you "learned" to do it that way. If you did not "learn", you could have played the note like what I am trying to tell you. But honestly, you played that first note B that way because you CHECKED it against the D string, did you. Who taught you to do that? It is not the music, it is something else that caused you to make this mistake. Then why did you even think you should be hurt, because I think you are good, but I see you on the verge of going bad. Pls don't think I am doing anything to "hurt" you. I am just showing you how you have developed some wrong ideas and concepts. And it can get extremely bad as time goes on.
  11. quote: Originally posted by: hanxiao V, thanks for your reply and brushing of my specific questions under the carpet. i try to play the score as written, and in this case Beethovan put the harmonic sign on the high A, which i did and you did not. i hate to sound condescending on behalf of mr b, but but but ,,,,,never mind. OG is correct in calling both of us insane. i used to think i am more so. Now i am not so sure. Sorry, what was your specific question? Too many questions up there. The M in G was written for piano, and later someone (??) trascribed it for violin and piano. Then many more people tried to put in fingerings and marks, to make them "more easy to play for youngsters", or other reasons. So do not be deceived by your specific copy of the score. You play very well. I just want to show you it can sound in another way. It sounds too flat only to me. You can play it anyway you like. But if you like my "first version", then that was what you need to do, like I said, play the first note sharper by about 1/4 whole tone. We play violin to satisfy ourselves, right? When I started violin, girls on my opposite building leaned on the rails watching me. Much later in one of my jobs, the receptionist girl reminded me, if I remember her as "the girl" who always watched me from the opposite building. I asked, "But which floor were you?" She was annoyed. She did not know that there were many girls on many floors watching, just like her.
  12. hanxiao, You still do not seem to see the point. Read this very carefully - All the listeners (unless they learn the violin) thinks the violin sounds better, or in tune, when the violin sounds SHARPER. All violin teachers (with very few exeptions) teach you NOT to sound sharp. That is what Ouchard is scream me at, do you not realise???? I am trying to make you play in the way listeners like. YOUR FIRST NOTE IN M in G is WAY FLAT. The difference between a BIG and SMALL whole tone is 22 cent, or 1/5 of a half-tone. YOU ARE 44 CENT TOO FLAT, ON YOUR FIRST NOTE. So inspect, study, investigate, the difference between these two intervals, double it, and raise the first note of your M in G by twice that much (YES, 44 CENT, almost half of a half-tone, or one quarter of a whole tone). And dont play a harmonic on the high A. It will make your whole piece sound flat. Did I forgot to tell you that my 2nd M in G is what it would sound like after you practise a lot of scales, and that is how teachers expect and find agreeable? That is how you SHOULD NOT be like (the different is not obvious). The above are my own personal opinion and I agree that many people have their contrary views which I fully respect.
  13. Hanxiao, I have to scream up here with a new topic because you congest the original thread with too much private chats. Anyway, I promised to explain. So pls recall I told you there are two different "whole tones", because there are two B notes depending you tune it to the D string or the E string, so the two notes make two different "whole tone" intervals with the open A. I attach two A major scales. the first one is played with mostly the BIGGER "whole tone", the second one with the SMALLER "whole tone". Note that both sound good. But also understand that the Pythagorean scale uses alternatively one BIG and one SMALL, so it "has a much different character", meaning, completely out of tune, and I am not going to play it for you. You can do it and kill youself completely if you like, but you will be completely finished, and I cannot do anything more with you. People (esp professors) like to study about the Pythagorean scale because the alternating BIG and SMALL whole tones make "scientific" sense to them, since one BIG and one SMALL whole tone added together makes a major third: 10/9 * 9/8 = 5/4 = major third. Here no one preferred to use the ear instead. Both scales are used in some music. I cannot tell you right now which is in which music. But many of my recordings are played in the "BIG" scale, so the higher notes sound much sharper. It is not my choice but the composer. Only the correct scale will let your open strings sound in tune. Never mind the notes you play. The OPEN STRINGS tell you if you are right or wrong. Soloists know that. Did Ouchard not told you already some of these guys tuned their G strings sharp? I have to delete the cartoon because Maestronet does not allow me to upload too many files.
  14. (I only looked at the subject) Hmm, stubborn Mother? we have one such sample in our house. Ask my daughter - she'll say, run away!
  15. quote: Originally posted by: henrypeacham I began playing the violin just after my 50th, now 2 1/2 years ago. 5. Try and play less technical excercises, and more music. 30 minutes of scales up and down the G string is unlikely to enhance your enjoyment. Leave that for the youngsters who are dreaming of a soloist's career.. That is the best violin advise I ever found on internet for a long time. Just a correction - it is bad even for youngsters who are dreaming of a soloist's career. Do a lot of music instead.
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