fiddlecollector

Sorry i thought Brad was refering to Vuillaume bows ,the OP bows heel rounding goes back to odd bows in the late 18th -early 19th century and bass bows . Martin can you show a photo of an EA Ouchard with heel shaped like that??? Ive seen odd looking personal bows by Bernard Ouchard but EA Ouchards are usually just rounded like a cello frog.

Vuillaume makers ferrules (and frogs) all have slight differences, there is no reason for a well haired Vuillaume shop or later Martins (and other French 20th century makers)etc... not to play as normal. Only difference being maybe a slightly narrower hair ribbon . Most proper Vuillaume shop makers have a flat area so the hair should still be in a flat ribbon. On some German models the flat and sides of the ferrule are far more angular than proper Vuillaume shop bows. German copies???? so called are often perfectly oval which is different . Also the widest point of a Vuillaume frog is not the surface where the pearl slide is but around 2mm below that .Hence why the hair ribbon can be narrower. Brad mentions the extreme rounding of the heel ,they are not all like that with the Vuillaume makers some more than others and some only slightly. Maline frogs tend to be a bit curvy compared to others but not always.

Carry on believing its not true , i know it went on a lot with both violins etc... and bows. And not a particularly French thing either, happened in many places. Not saying these makers never made violins from scratch but most wouldn`t know if these were reworked white instruments or not unless you were there at the time. .

Heres another Nester from 1884 but a Guarneri model.

Next time hide the label Looking at it it could have been by any number of French makers.

Mike are you refering to me? If so i only put the links up as they are worth reading and explain how others not as wealthy as the textile merchants had access to these dyes. The protein is unintentional (most likely) and does come from silk or wool shearing extraction. An interesting thing i noted was that madder use seems far more prevalent in Northern Europe than the South , which can be noted from the lists of paintings tested from different countries. I mentioned in a thread years ago how protein such as animal glue can be slightly useful in very dilute form when precipitating pigments as it can act as an anti aggregation/ agglomeration agent.

Found this but in German,used lots of stamps. https://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/peugeot.phtml

Thanks

No, on further checking they appear to use several stamps elephant, lion standing on an arrow and two cresent moon faces. maybe others? I dont know if the manufacturer is the same as the car company???? Theres Peugeot freres and peugeot & Cie. Heres a photo of one of my gouges with elephants stamp and also two others off google.

Peugeot have elephant stamps.

Most red lake pigments used by artists and probably varnish makers up to the early 1700`s was produced by cloth shearings from the previous mentioned textile merchants. With cochineal lakes etc.. often protein is found when derived from silk offcuts and phosphorus shows up due to being from insect sources. Everyone interested should read the National gallery articles on this.. https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/pdf/kirby_white1996.pdf https://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/upload/pdf/kirby_spring_higgitt2005.pdf

Borax does dissolve in hot water to varying degrees depending on what form its in. The stuff in nature is crystallized from hot springs ,lake beds etc. Sand or silica wont dissolve in water unless its very caustic ie. waterglass. Some of the borax will produce boric acid when applied to wood with any moisture content.

Borax is nothing like ground sand or silica .

And there are plenty of nickel bows that are just as good especially some of the older bows.

Nice bow , possibly Hoyer, but Brad D will know better as he seems to have more experience of Hoyer bows. The silver tip player may have been added at any time or could be original.