baroquecello

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  1. I love these threads on extreme experiments! I have my thoughts, but really, I'm only cellist with zilch experience in making, just in playing. PLEASE DON'T TAKE MY COMMENTS SERIOUSLY! What I'd expect from an MDF back depends on the thickness/graduation. On a thick MDF back, I'd expect the sound to be shrill and piercing, powerful in a really bad way. With a thinner MDF back I'd expect the sound to lose focus and attain a dead sound. On a thick back, I'd expect the bow to feel like ice skating, and on a thin back I'd expect it to lack the possibility to use fast bow speeds. For
  2. Do you mean the bass bar and sound post are inverse compared to normal, but you nonetheless strung it the normal way, meaning a string over the bass bar? I would find it highly surprising if your cello sounds anywhere near good and especially feels anywhere near normal when playing it.
  3. I did it on cello, to experience what it is like to be a total beginner. It sounds like a cello, just a bad one. The lower strings superficial, and the a string flabby, without projection and brilliance. It doesn't feel good in the bow.
  4. That is a very unique tail piece. Never seen anything like it.
  5. That has been my experience as well. But I have to say that I have yet to meet a cellist that tried a ConCarbo and didn't notice a positive difference. I don't know any cellist who rejected such a tail piece. My father in law, who is a cellist and instrument collector, and is otherwise very skeptical regarding the tweaking of setup, tried one and then decided to put them on his six cellos he uses regularly. I really recommend trying the tail piece. Btw I tried a fench model with carbon fibre fine tuners, not the titanium fine tuners, with which I have no experience.
  6. The main difference is playability. The strings respond quicker and better over the whole dynamic range. I also believe the dynamic range has widened somewhat. The sound is more resonant and open, somewhat brighter, but not shrill. Before using this tail piece, there always was a string that was less or more prominent than the others; g honked and d was subdued. That mysteriously is a thing of the past; The tail piece evens out the sound on both cellos I had it on. The wolf tone has not become less prominent, but is more focused on one pitch, and less of a range of tones. I have tried differen
  7. I can confirm very positive experiences with the ConCarbo tail pieces. Improvement in string response time, dynamics, wolf tone and evenness over all strings. This is the single best improvement through setup I have achieved. (Previously tried Wittner composite and Akustikus tail pieces, and a number of older ebony or wooden tailpieces, including some that were hollowed out). Tonal tail pieces are simply too expensive for me to try.
  8. Yes, compared to their good quality full size counterparts, smaller instruments will not sound as loud and fine. However, if someone (say a child) wants to play an instrument because it likes the tonal range, you can try convincing it with a viola tuned instrument, but you will not succeed if the child wants a cello tone. Moreover, you wrote "I think it's a mistake to have really small fractional size instruments played with normal tuning. Their short strings are heavy and hard to bow well. " (underscore is my work) and that is simply not up to date anymore, at least not starting 1/8th cellos
  9. Yes, strings have improved a lot for fractional instruments. Older strings usually simply were fatter and shorter versions of budget 4/4 strings, of which the 4/4 versions were also really not that good. That attitude has really changed, as you can see from the fact that serious brands like Larsen, Jargar, D'addario and Thomastik now make smaller versions of their better string lines too. On cellos, I've no experience with anything smaller than 1/8th, for which I like Helicore and Larsen. Helicore works better on lesser quality cellos or cellos with a string response problem, on good ones, Lar
  10. With that notion, you are living about 10 years or more in the past. I really suggest you try out a well set up 1/8th cello with helicore strings. Easy to play. Ofcourse, nowhere near as loud as a bigger cello, but a good sound and an unproblematic string response.
  11. As a cello teacher, I have a lot of experience starting 1/8th size instruments. Helicore strings and Larsen strings sound quite good for this size. For all instruments, so also such small instruments, it is very important that they are well made (no tank like stucture!) and that the setup is very good. Badly fitting sound posts or bridge feet will have a very negative effect on the performance of the small cello. Much of the bad reputation of small instruments comes from the fact that people don't bother doing these things right cause the instrumenta are "just for kids" anyway. You could
  12. Very interesting cello! Often, cellos with suh huge sound holes are what remains of an originally larger instrument. Here I don't see traces of a possibly different former outline; do you see any in person? How does it play? And, are you the Rob that posted on ICS a few months ago?
  13. I do feel that weight is an important factor psychologically. Even if I know it is not really true, I always find playing heavier instruments harder than playing lighter instruments. In the past, I've tried to free myself of this feeling, and I have a relatively heavy Instrument as my main cello. I've decided now, that I will likely never succeed in getting past this subconscious bias, and that it is better for me as a player to just give in rather than to try be objective about it. I'm going to sell my cello when I get the chance.
  14. It will most definitely make a huge difference if you get your cello adjusted properly, if you have not done such a thing for years. Find a lutier that also services professional players instruments; then you'll know the lutier will have a certain standard. Explain what you preferred in the playability of cellos you tried out (string clearance!) It depends on the playing level, but sometimes, for amateurs, best level instruments are not the best choice. Very good instruments often also require a good command of the instrument to make them sound good. Some amateurs are served well with som
  15. You really need to take better pictures. I agree with what was said: They both look like a better type of student quality instruments from germany, which I'd expect to have to pay 4000~8000 Euros for, if they were in good condition. The second cello however has an enormous bass bar crack, which is not that big a deal if it is well repaired, but this was done by someone who clearly didn't know how to do that well, or at least had no clue how to do a varnish touchup. The first cello looks in better condition, unless it is a repaired sound post crack I see on the back. Such a crack would dra
  16. I was wondering about the through neck construction here. I'm by no means experienced, but have seen one or another through neck. None of those had such an enormous "block", with such a large glueing surface to the back, and none were rounded in this fashion. Maybe I've seen too many cheap versions of this type. Is the construction in this violin typical, or are we maybe looking at a somehow modified/repaired through neck construction?
  17. How much does the collector want for these cellos? The pictures are blurry, so there is nothing definitive about what I'm writing here. To me, all they look relatively new. The fingerboards look strikingly similar at the bridge end and unused and of the same type of almost-but-just-not-black ebony (or ebony-like wood), the nuts look similar, the finishing of the protruding end of the pegs (which all look brand new and of a cheaper type) looks similar and not very stylish, none of them seem to have any wear... I wouldn't be surprised if they all came from Romania and were made within the l
  18. Yes, Dominant. Possibly the a string was replaced with a Jargar as the blue looks a bit too bright, but that may also just be the quality of the picture. The ball will answer that question: if it is rather big and has a hole, it is also a dominant, if it is smaller without a hole, it is a jargar string.
  19. Well, if it is like that, I'd also think there shouldn't be much effect on the sound. However, if I look at the contact points of the neck of the Engleder, I see that the chalk is gone only at the fingerboard/top end of the heel, indicating that the neck sort of sits on that side, without contact over the whole neck heel surface. I would expect that to have some sort of effect on vibrations, but maybe I'm wrong. The whole idea behind it, I think, is that the neck remains adjustable without any other modification but a turn of the screw. In that case whole neck heel contact cannot be present.
  20. The Schweizer cello is a very beautiful instrument! I just can't stop wondering if that neck mechanism doesn't (negatively) influence the sound and playability. does it?
  21. I'm just thinking out loud. Someone mentioned expecting to be using laminated fingerboards. Baroque fingerboards are a wedge shaped core of spruce or similar, that already has the curved surface, onto which a flat piece of ebony veneer is clamped. That is of course a labour intensive way of making a fingerboard. But shouldn't it be possible to simply glue a flat piece of ebony onto a flat piece of hardwood (maple or so), and then use that as a fingerboard in the same way une uses a modern ebony fingerboard, until in time, the ebony is planed off and the fingerboard needs replacement? One could
  22. Such holes are there for helping with the wire wrapping. The end of the wire is led into the hole and secured with a smal wooden dowel, after which one can proceed wrapping the bow. I've never seen it on both ends, only on the tip end side, but I'm pretty sure that here both were drilled by the maker for this purpose. Edit note: I see now how far away the plugged tip end hole is from the frog, and I guess that sort of excludes my explanation, because it is too far away. The one under the thumb leather could be what I described.
  23. Strange, it appears in my post from here. I'll try posting the picture with a different method....