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  1. deans

    Violin ID #7

    Yes, I dont want to put anyone on the spot. Maybe I need to back up a bit and ask the OP a couple questions. Why do you even own the instrument? What are your goals for it? I realize you were just asking for an ID, not any advice, perhaps I've made too many assumptions. But I've already butted in so I'l just add my two recommendations. 1. If you really want an old Saxon instrument for yourself, set it aside until you are comfortable paying up for restorations or perhaps you become a good restorer yourself (you already expressed reservations) 2. If you really werent specifically
  2. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I am just giving the numbers as I see them, what I have paid, what I have been offered, what I see retail, and what I see at auction. It is nothing to do with "rubbishing" anything. Yes, It was a mistake for me to compare it to the costs of new student instruments. Just trying to give some perspective. You are a restorer and a fan of of these instruments, this would probably be perfect for you, but I want you to consider for yourself how much cash you would pay for this instrument, right now? That would be a very useful part of this discussion, but I dont want to put anyone on the spot.
  3. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I agree with Strado, a bad repair would put this in the closet forever. I might see this bring a $1000 at auction, not a bad offer. But I would be surprised if any of our restorers here would pay that much cash. And think about, $1K doesnt exactly line up with "rare" or "desirable" in the violin world. That's less than half the price of a Rudolf Doetsch. Probably cant even buy the lowest grade Jay Haide. Sure, BF, Jacob, myself, and a few others like things like this, but we are not enough to drive the market up.
  4. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I'm not sure what you mean. But I think its a difference of where we live. Shops here do not want to waste a lot of time on other peoples repairs, they have their own work to do that's more profitable. If they think the customer might have some remorse afterwards concerning the economics, and give them a hard time, they will quickly go to the "not worth fixing" and move on. This one's close, I would only have it restored I was certain I wanted to keep it. I know these type of instruments fairly well, I see what they sell for at both shops and auctions, and I know I'd have a hard time gett
  5. deans

    Violin ID #7

    Not to drill this into the ground too much. But I think every shop wants to warn customers that even though an instrument might retail at 2-3X the repair, the wholesale price an individual can get might not be equal to the repair. Just in case the customer gets mad if he was thinking he is going to flip it. Especially if he is thinking of flipping it through the same shop. A suppose a lot of shops deal with more flippers than end users in these situations.
  6. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I agree with this 100% especially looking at it from your perspective as someone who works as restorer. I also agree with this. This is my perspective. I have done it myself, usually happy with the results. But I'm not a flipper (usually), unless you want the instrument for yourself you better sharpen your pencils and have connections. It sounds like you and I are in complete agreement.
  7. deans

    Violin ID #7

    Once again I think we are closer than you think. If the OP is in the market for a good old Saxon instrument, and didnt pay too much, I think he/she made a great buy, even with the risk of not knowing what it sounds like. I would encourage them to plop down $$ for the best work. But if the intention is anything other than end use, if he/she wants to realize monetary value, then they have to be careful. I just hope the OP takes it somewhere good for repairs, or just sells it as-is to someone like yourself. I like these things but I have enough.
  8. deans

    Violin ID #7

    Yes exactly, a violin that retails $6-8K of any type. If it needs the top popped off for repairs, a full setup, pegbox work, etc, you are looking at $2-3K+ for good work, that's close to the wholesale/cash value for an individual who is not a dealer. I would put it at borderline. Many instruments fall into this category. Then the question would be do you try to do it yourself? Or take it to a less experienced repairman? I assume you are in the trade (IDK) but shops pay cost for repairs and can realize retail prices. Individuals have to pay full price for repairs and have a very hard tim
  9. deans

    Violin ID #7

    Nope. My Ficker has its original neck. As do 3-4 similar instruments. I bought them for that reason and they will stay that way. I doubt I will profit from them though. They arent really "baroque" btw. And Im not suggesting the OP gets a neck graft.
  10. deans

    Violin ID #7

    As an end user I see a few things. First the costs of good repairs is currently at a premium. Luthier time is more valuable than it used to be. And shops seem to always judge these things from a business perspective. That's why we are often told this, and often they are right. This is a classic borderline case, I have half a dozen instruments very similar to this one. The cost to get them running is close to or more than the wholesale value (how much cash would a dealer pay for this violin?).
  11. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I doubt in reality we are too far off. I've seen some top shelf prices for nice examples that are pushing 20K for violins from this school, but the most I've known one to actually sell is a JGF for 14K, a really nice example . I would expect something comparable to the OP would sit in a rank-and-file shop at 6-8K set up as a period instrument, but I don't see a dealer paying much for it in its current state. And certainly in my town most of the shops would tell somebody to turn right around if they came in asking for a restoration. I might get it done though, I like these instrument
  12. deans

    Violin ID #7

    We are in agreement for the most part, and we are talking about the same thing. Yes there are many more through neck fiddles from the mid 19th century, these are often worth less than a 100 bucks. How much does a real ICF actually sell for in your country? I'll bet it's comparable to here. BTW the price for good restorations is pretty high right now in the US. Hard to find a good restorer who starts at less than $1K just to get the top off of an instrument. The bar for something worth fixing is getting higher and higher.
  13. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I dont know. We live in different countries with different ideas of value. But I believe things are closer than you think. Most "Dutzendware" are not priced in the thousands, just ones that have have good playing dimensions and a good sound. You can pick up a "Schweitzer" for a couple hundred anywhere and when a dealer puts 1200-1500 price tag on it, it will sit a while. Often through-neck fiddles, even better ones like this, have a dimension issue that will get rejected by teachers. The ones that get better prices usually have been rebuilt with a neck graft. But the current trend is t
  14. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I would say its reasonable that it was made by a Ficker or there about, probably a later one. These are sort in no man's land. A lot of shops in the US might say "not worth fixing" if you need to take the top off and fix cracks in a big way. Yet you occasionally see a dealer try to push 5 digit prices on a nicer one (or even not so nice). Where yours has some value is that, because it has its original neck, many will dress it up as baroque and market it that way.
  15. deans

    Violin ID #7

    Here's a stamp with the trees
  16. deans

    Violin ID #7

    I think its ICF for johanm christian ficker. Looks like above average 1800 saxon. But sort of weak for a ficker.
  17. Please don't, I'm confident everyone here understands the "Schweitzer" thing.
  18. Yeah, have to kind of think he just created it himself.
  19. I might change my mind to M-wald too.
  20. Looks like the usual to me.
  21. Sorry to hear that. The go to guy for viola d'amore work.
  22. They were certainly not disposable, and there are people regularly work on them.
  23. Yes hybrid CF/wood bows were pretty common a few years back. Most were more expensive than "student" level too.
  24. I owned a Marco Nolli for many years. I felt it compared very well with the better American makers. It was priced less too, but I believe the dollar was pretty strong when I bought it. I liked most of the Villa bros instruments I have seen too. But these were violins.