My detailed response is ...... know what you are looking at .... research what you want to buy ... check out violins in the flesh ( not from 3 doubtful photos on ebay )..... spend hours reading expert opinions on good forums rather than hours looking at "bargains" on ebay .. don't confuse the fact that a good case MUST contain a good violin. The first violin is most likely Eastern European/Chinese, the second is hard to say because of the poorly lit photos.