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  1. Chronos, you have every right to your views, of course. But if you go to string_teacher_support or piano_teacher_support or suzukiUSA or ProViolin, you will find LOTS of teachers who have the same perspectives that I do. I got several private messages on here, as well, from people who don't want to stir up a fuss. They just don't come out in an unmoderated, public forum and express their private objections. I'm looking for the truth of matters here; I'm not sure you can get a handle on someone's perspective from a few paragraphs in email. A doctoral thesis on this subject will take about six years (I'm estimating) and thousands of words. I seriously doubt if there will be anything of contempt OR hostility in any of it.
  2. Nancy, you can do as you like (it would probably be best), but don't prescribe behavior for me; there's a WHOLE LOT to discuss. I have no intension of "dropping the whole thing." I'm writing about it and I'm going to continue to research and talk to people about it.
  3. Please note this distinction: Main Entry: 1ad ho·mi·nem Pronunciation: (')ad-'hä-m&-"nem, -n&m Function: adjective Etymology: New Latin, literally, to the person 1 : appealing to feelings or prejudices rather than intellect 2 : marked by an attack on an opponent's character rather than by an answer to the contentions made ..Let's discuss the issues, and avoid the hair-pulling and name-calling. Just a quiet, dispassionate discussion of the issue, with no personal attacks on anyone's character. Just because someone disagrees with you, does not mean that you then go for the jugular. This is my primary complaint against the Suzuki teachers whom I have encountered online.
  4. I think there are more issues (in the Suzuki/traditional controversy) than just the reading issue. Social/financial control, exclusivity, brainwashing, even. I am very uncomfortable with the second page of the Suzuki books, under "5">Introduction FOR THE STUDENT: We're told to purchase the recordings and the accompaniment books. FOR THE TEACHER: We're told that "a great deal" of "ongoing education" is required, and we're told to join the group, maintain a "training schedule", and join the International Suzuki Association. FOR THE PARENT. Parents are told to check the teacher's credentials, particularly the Suzuki training, but that the Suzuki experience "should be a positive one." The fourth paragraph gives the contact information for the International Association, the SAA, and the publishers. I find all of this verging on the frightening, a kind of artistic mind control. Does this bother anyone else?? Connie
  5. Anyway, I don't expect a rational dialog about this, from a few people anyway, I should say. Never mind. In other words, I've gotten a half dozen harassing email messages via my webpage address and on suzukiUSA, several of them quite mean spirited and anonymous, and one very not-anonymous one (three in all), questioning my mental acuity. Doesn't surprise me.
  6. No, no hard feelings, absolutely not. My support is *for* young people -- not against them! And my objective is the disinterested pursuit of the truth, with no underlying, how shall I say, hidden agenda. and I'm cmsunday of: www.geocities.com/conniesunday/ so I am not afraid to say who it is who is speaking (or trying to). Very best regards, Connie
  7. With respect to the last two responses, the first person seems to have some insight into the future, and I'm not sure they're entirely mistaken, though I resent the implication that my objections are based on self-interest. To the second, it seems they have never heard of the phrase "the unexamined life is not worth living." :-)
  8. I've probably read everything in print that Dr. Suzuki produced, and read through all the periodicals, to date, and with two exceptions, online, every Suzuki teacher I've encountered has in my opinion failed to demonstrate the sort of ethical principles that one would think, would be the guiding principles in their behavior. I've just, again and again, met the meanest, meanest, people online, who have failed over and over again, to show any sort of compassion or high moral principles. They're just mean. And extremely sensitive about their Method. Someone asked, what were your objectives in taking the training. And it has to do with wanting knowledge. It has to do with feeling responsible for having made every effort to do the best job for my students, in preparing them for a life in music. But I just have problems with the people in this movement, and the underlying principles don't seem convincing to me. For example, on one prominent Suzuki webpage, there is mention of the wild children that--the story goes--were found in India (I think it was) to have been raised by wolves. Dr. S quotes this story by way of supporting his ideas. But I have talked to eminent people in science and medicine, and been told that every single instance of this story has been shown to be a fraud, and a case of gullible people being taken advantage of for the purpose of generating funds. Stories of this sort have surfaced a number of times, and there has never been a single case where it was genuine. It should be remembered that Dr. Suzuki's father was in the business of making violins. The underlying principles of the movement are unanswerable: that one should respect children, that parents play a key role in the home education of young children, etc. But this would not be the first time in history that vast numbers of people have been convinced of the correctness of some system. Connie
  9. Lymond, thank you; some people have sympathy for others and some people (often these teachers I complain of - viz, to wit, above) have no empathy for anyone which really, you know, violates everything Dr. S wrote about. I'm surprised you don't audition for USC. So many Rice grads go there; Larry Livingston is still there, I believe (the dept. head before the deceased one). Yale would be great. (I ended up with the MM at UNT, which is not bad, but not, of course, Yale). Good luck, Lymond. Connie
  10. Lymond, you're what, 19, 20 years old? I'm nearly 60 years old and I have multiple sclerosis. It's not easy for me to just "head up" somewhere. BTW: how did the recital go? Connie (Brown, '87)
  11. Hey everyone: I must confess (and I'm not going to post this to suzukichat), that I am having second thoughts about taking this ECC and Book 1, etc., training. I would love to hear how other teachers feel about that. You know, I have a masters in violin performance, and about 50 students, and as near as I can determine, none of them could give a hoot about whether I have this training or not. In the last four years I think I've had ONE call from a prospective student who didn't study with me because I don't have this training. No one wants to give any credit to the work I did at Chapel Hill (UNC), but I did work through Suzuki books 1 and 2 with Ruth Johnson (who's the head of the Suzuki program there) and I have lots of notes about how to teach those two books, very little of which I use or agree with. I have my own ideas and methods, and they seem to produce successful students. I have some real reservations about giving little kids play violin boxes, margarine boxes or whatever, and the thing about not reading music is not a settled issue with me and never will be. I cannot pretend to believe in something which I do not agree with. Connie
  12. Lupe, what I do when I move into a geographical area, is call around and find out what several dozen teachers charge and find a spot somewhere in the middle. You may hate me forever, particularly if I tell you how I feel about this; but how accomplished are you on the piano? A 10 year old boy -- or anyone, for that matter -- deserves an accomplished, experienced teacher. At least one who, if they don't have much teaching experience, can at least play the instrument at a fairly advanced level. What books would you use? I use Suzuki piano, and John Thompson's and Alfred's, and also the Theory Time workbooks. Students can advance pretty quickly sometimes (especially if they start when they're 10). What are you going to do if they get beyond where you yourself can play (IF that is the case, of course)? Everywhere I've ever lived, there are one or more "teachers" who, you know, can play the first book in some series, and charge $5.00 a lesson. They go down to the music store, get this one book, an start taking students. I think this is a huge rip-off and unfair to the students. Really. It's disreputable. Sorry to be so blunt, but you haven't said what your background is or anything... Connie
  13. The Sobrino's parts for Mel Bay require that you purchase the whole set of parts for mariachi orchestra, @ +/- $50: I was only looking for a simple piece for a half dozen book 2 Suzuki students.
  14. http://mariachioro.com has some very nice material (thank you), but too difficult for Suzuki Book 2. Glad to have it though! :-)
  15. I did end up finding the music and lyrics for de Colores. You can find that material at: http://www.geocities.com/techfiddle/mariachi.html
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