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  1. I agree fully with HKV's posts but would further say that ALL REALLY GOOD JAZZ IMPROVISORS are GREAT at improvising over major and minor blues changes, and that usually happens first. Then learn to "blow on" the ii V blues descending changes as in a Bird Type blues. Have Fun! Make sure you are fluid in playing in Bb, F, C, G, D, A, E,and B minimally. Next, learn to jam over the chord changes to I Got Rhythm... Once you can do that, a lot of standards are much more accessable. Have a ball!
  2. Also not new to music but new to any fretless stringed instrument...started violin at 48. (several years later, am I ever glad I did)
  3. I would like to hear about it too! Have fun!
  4. You beat me to it Deb. I couldn't have said it better!
  5. Anyone interested in discussing an approach to swing fiddling here? For example a sequence of tunes to work on because there are certain chord sequences that apply to so many tunes etc. If their are beginners here, I recommend that you comfortable with improvising on the blues in various keys. While G tends to be the jam key at acoustic jams, when you are playing swingstyle, there is a level of sophistication that goes with the music, so be prepared to play in many keys...Bb, F, C, G, D,A, E, and B in particular. Horn players love Bb and F. Then learn minor blues. A "must" is learning to play over the chords of the tune "I Got Rhythm"..while Bb is a given with piano,bass, horns types of bands, it is played in G a lot with string bands. Learn about ii/V progressions and applying them to the blues. Once you get there, it turns out there are about ten songs that embody the chord changes widely used in other tunes, ie, Honeysuckle Rose etc. I can do this stuff on guitar but am working on it on the fiddle and having loads of fun trying. Have fun beginners! (and for those that aren't beginners, I am all ears for any and all info...thanks!) I guess it should be mentioned that their are some western swing standards Faded Love, Corrina, Corrina that may be included depending on your band. Some Fav's of mine to swing fiddle on are Minor Swing, Oh, Lady Be Good, Dark Eyes, Rhythm Changes, Sweet Georgia Brown, Blues and similar tunes.
  6. You might check the Roland V-Drum site (that is for players of modern electronic drum equipment, however, their are some very knowledgable percussionists that also play on V-Drums). Also search for info on the Percussive Arts Society. Good Luck!
  7. I always think of fiddling as improvised music. The rift between fiddlers and violinists is much the same as between classically trained musicians and jazz musicians. While not true 100% of the time, usually the jazz musicians are the better improvisors while the classically trained musicians have all the technique (and rarely the twixt shall meet).
  8. Picked up the Oscar Aleman CD! Wow! Thanks again for the tip. Dittos on Grant Green. Always dug the great George Van Eps.
  9. Tanigumi, I have several recordings on tape that involve Eddie South with Django, Grappelli, or both. I will try and find the discography info for you. A favorite of mine is Django playing rhythm guitar for Eddie on a very inspired blues.
  10. Some more thoughts..developing a good hand position is important so many would recommend that you initially have a teacher. I didn't and had to "unlearn"...the fiddle is difficult as it is without having to unlearn. Finding the proper placement of the first and third fingers on open strings is a good place to start. Use the adjacent strings to check for intonation. Practice 1st position major and minor scales both using the little finger and without it. For the type of music I wanted to play, I have not concerned myself with learning to play in all the keys. I found that playing in Bb, F, C, G, D, A, E, and B covers the folks I play with. G is the default jam key a lot of times.
  11. Love Supreme...I have Coltrane on that. Is there a guitar album of that name? Who plays on it please? Thanks in advance!
  12. I play jazz guitar and started swing fiddling at age 48. One of the first things pointed out to me by a violinist was to keep the fingers below the finger doing the noting pressed down on the strings in their respective positions to help with intonation. (now anyone here can explain this better but may not have considered this aspect because of not coming from the guitar to the violin). In other words, if you are playing a G maj scale starting on the open G, you ascend by placing one finger at a time (open string, A,B,C,D) get in the habit of using the pinky right away. The point is that if you are descending on that string, place all the fingers down on their respective positions and lift one at a time. It is very common for guitarists to just press where they need the note. Hope this helps! Good luck! Have Fun! If any violinists have another view on this, I'm all ears!
  13. Thanks for the tip! Aleman is on the shopping list.
  14. riverdog

    Jazz

    HKV I should have posted this earlier.. The Paul Desmond Quartet (2-LP) set with Ed Bickert is exquisitely tasteful! (hope it is avail on CD?)
  15. If "expert" means I now live more than 20 miles from where I was born, I'll give it a go. There are soooo many styles and so many great players.... Everything I ever heard with Django on it. Wes Montgomery "Smokin' at the Half Note" has very spirited joyful playing. Joe Pass at the Montreaux Jazz Festival 1975.
  16. riverdog

    Jazz

    Clifford Brown! Yes indeed! What a wonderful musician. Too bad about the car accident... he was way too young. Tragic! I really dig Paul Desmond with Ed Bickert on guitar.
  17. Absolutely GO FOR IT! You won't regret it. I started at 48 and have no regrets. I can't imagine how I would play if I had started at 16! While it is true that many of the great players started younger, music is for everyone who is interested in playing and there will be a time and place for you to play if you get started!
  18. riverdog

    Jazz

    Bird Lives! Now I really like that. He is still my favorite improvisor. I started collecting every recording I could get my hands on in 1962 and slowly built up quite a collection of his recordings. Eventually, things got to the point that I sent checks to folks that had a cassette of unreleased wire recordings etc. A lot of this stuff is widely available now. (It used to be next to impossible to find the 'Dial' sides). I picked up the "Benedetti Recordings" of Bird some years back and listened to the entire set in two sittings (initially). These are not complete tunes..usually just the Bird solos...for those not familiar with jazz, Bird is the famous alto player Charlie Parker, one of the inventors of bebop jazz. He started playing solos and melodies using the higher intervals of the chords to create new songs over old ones etc, allowing for reharmonization under the new melodies. It opened the doors wide open in music. When I listen to 'horn' players, I go to the sources, Bird, Diz, Miles, Fats Navarro et al. Also love the hard bop soloists...Dexter, Sonny, etc.
  19. If the listeners in the audience derive pleasure from it, why not? It's not my cup of tea, but there is a place for it. JMHO.
  20. riverdog

    Jazz

    What nice memories in the music store. I once emailed Barney and never expected a reply. I bought all three Rumark Video tapes he put out on jazz improvisation. He doesn't waste words and in my opinion, they are all excellent. I enjoy viewing them from time to time to keep his ideas fresh in mind. "Moonlight in Vermont" is where I first heard Johnny Smith. I used to have a 1966 Johnny Smith model arch top Gibson and studied his book for a while but ended up playing what I already knew because a band came along. I never really have gotten back to his ideas, but I love his playing. I once read that he is in Denver these days? Got to see another segment (4) of the history of jazz. I enjoy seeing the old footage and any glimpse I can get of the past glory in spite of what the musicologists may be saying about the treatment of the subject.
  21. I love listening to swing fiddling and picked up a fiddle just a few years back to get started in trying to play some. I come to the fiddle with a piano and primarily guitar background (jazz). Favorite swing fiddlers I have heard (on recordings) are Emilio Caceres, the great Eddie South, Joe Venuti, Sven Amundsen, Stuff Smith, and Stephane Grappelli. There is a very interesting recording of Eddie South with Django play rhythm guitar for him! Emilio is hard to find, but his Jig in G is worth the search IMO. I like Darrol Angers playing a lot too...got to see him in several band configurations at Merlefest (N.C.) last year.
  22. riverdog

    Jazz

    fiddledog, I was wondering what Barney was doing these days as he has been a favorite musician (was fortunate to see him live several times ~ 30 years ago) and I had heard he retired. I hope that his hearing is unimpaired. How sad! I have heard folks connected with the recording industry say that the masses will never know just how much musicianship and integrity Barney brought to recording sessions. I will check out the swing fiddle posts...thanks!
  23. riverdog

    Jazz

    HuangKaiVun, I have enjoyed many of your posts and your jazz instruction a while back. I am very familiar with styles of the guitarists you mention with the exception of Jack Wilkins. I too have been trying to get away from single line soloing and have found that Barney Kessel and Tommy Tedesco have a similar approach for the student of the guitar. That is to play single lines, octaves, thirds and sixths, fourths and fifths, three note chords on up to using all six strings. (Tommy explains jokingly that expression is nothing more than making facial expressions while playing) and adds to always stay out of the way of the vocalist but add a big ending to the tune.)
  24. riverdog

    Jazz

    Hello everyone! I love jazz (especially the bebop era) and swing fiddle. Enjoying getting caught up with some of the posts. I have been a lurker here (off and on) back to when Al Stancel was offering his pearls of wisdom. I just heard a recording of Emilo Cacerres playing Jig in G and others. Also like Eddie South, Joe Venuti, Sven Amundsen, and Stephane Grappelli. Mostly I play jazz guitar and am relatively new at trying swing fiddling (only a few years so far, started in my late 40's and plan to keep with it). Inspiration for guitar playing is mostly from trumpet and sax players. Not adept enough with fiddling to know what will transpire.
  25. I have been away from this site for a while and was stunned to find out that AL has passed on. What a kind, generous, wonderful man he is. The other posts have summarized many of my thoughts as well as the grief I am now feeling for this gentleman that I never met, except here. Best wishes to Clo and the folks at Casa Del Sol during these difficult times. He will be sorely missed. The world needs more people like Al. May he rest in peace.
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