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  1. : Hi. : I think your problem with wanting to play the wrong finger may be because you think finger numbers other than note names. All right, example: Third position and the A string. 4th finger will play what the 2nd finger would play on the E string. So you see than note and think 2, bad. Maybe if you think G, or whatever note you're playing, you won't have the same problem. Think note names not finger numbers, that's one of the basic faults with Suzuki. : Ben I didn't even learn suzuki, I can read music slowly as far as note names and I didn't evne learn with the numbers but they're just kind of in my head. I see an E and I think open E or 4th finger, etc.
  2. Well I'm starting to play third position, my tone isn't that bad compared to what it was when I started but I'm going crazy because for instance when it's supposed to be a fourth finger I always want to play a second and I'm really miserable and it's ruining my life. I need some tips. Please help.
  3. I teach violin in a large public school district. I've been trying to get my daughter(she's 5)interested in playing a stringed instrument without much success. We listen to the Suzuki tape(violin) at least an hour per day. She knows how to support the violin on her shoulder and hold the violin bow using the beginning bow hold(thumb on the outside)and thats about it. Do you have any suggestions?
  4. : : : (1) How loose have you tried the hair? : : : No more than a pinkey width from the stick? : : Yeah I loosened it pretty good. : OK (Andy) : : : (2) A good Russian violin-bow hold would put the pinkey tip on the bow and curved (concave) a little and the index finger somewhere between the second and third (palm) joint. This would give some extra force to the stick from the weight of the index finger side of the hand with no extra effort on your part and might tend to overcome chatter if it develops - or at least give you a "power point" to work it out. : : So you're saying that I should put a little more weight on my index finger by bending my pinky more? By "convex" you mean that the last knuckle should be bent away from the floor, right? : I JUST MEAN THE PINKEY SHOULD BE BENT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF STRAIGHT OR THE OTHER WAY. (Andy) **OK, should I concentrate on keeping it down? Sometimes it gets kinda of floaty. : : : (3) Like you said. : : I don't quite understand what "square" means in relation to a bow hold. (Sorry) : THIS WAS THE COMMENT ABOUT HOLDING THE BOW TOO TIGHT. SQUARE IS THAT ALL KNUCKLES ARE ABOUT EQUIDISTANT FROM THE STICK, AS WITH CELLO BOWS. (Andy) **No, no, I kinda drape my fingers over the bow at an angle, they kinda curl around the bow like a snake on a stick. Is that Russian? : : : (4) OK - maybe you got one of the Codabows that's not so good. I've heard of it WRT a Coda cello bow (I think it was the weight of the frog causing the problem). Can you get a second opinion on the bow - how much does it weigh? How much pressure are you applying to the bow? My own violin Codabow is quite satisfactory - although I have a couple of other bows I prefer for one reason or another - but a number that are worse (for me). : : The problem with the Codabow is quite worse than with my other bows. I got a new grip put on it, a thicker lizard skin one, I blew right through the original. I put a glob of fun-tack on the tip to see if the new grip was the problem (although the prob. developed long after I got it done). I have an early model of a Codabow so I don't know if it has anything to do with it. : MY CODABOW IS ABOUT 2+ YEARS OLD (IS THAT OLDER? TOO) BUT IF YOU HAVE WORN THROUGH THE GRIP YOU MUST BE HOLDING IT PRETTY TIGHTLY.(Andy) **My Coda is even older. I got it used. Do they go "bad" after a while? : : I try not to put too much weight on the bow, I am thinking of drawing the bow smoothly across the strings when I play. : THAT'S GOOD! (Andy) : : : Finally, if your bowing is "going crooked" - that is, not perpendicular to the strings in the upper half, this common flaw can cause this "chattering" problem and other bad sounds and it is much worse with some violins than others and some bows, as well, can be more forgiving than others. : : This has been a bit of a problem for me for as long as I have played. Could that little axial rotation be causing the problem? : IT SURE COULD! TO BOW CORRECTLY YOU HAVE TO USE WRIST MOTION AND FINGER FLEXING TO BE SURE THAT THE BOW KEEPS GOING STRAIGHT. PRACTICE OPEN STRINGS AND WHOLE-BOW SCALES WATCHING YOURSELF FROM THE SIDE IN A MIRROR. KEEP THAT BOW STRAIGHT ALL THE WAY **Yeah, I really notice the problem when I am doing my scales when I warm up to play. I'll focus on the bow more now. : : : : : --If everything else is OK then it sounds like what the engineers call "positive feedback" in that a vibration that should be damped is in fact growing. The fact that this happens with all your bows, to some degree, might indicate it is related in some way to the violin - perhaps the strings you are using or the setup??? Can you find someone else to try it out also? : : I'll have a fiddle buddy of mine try it when I see him next, good idea. I use steel strings. : : Another note, I just had lunch with a fiddle friend and he said that he had a similar problem and his professor told him that he needed to discribe an arc with the frog when bowing. Pull the bow a bit towards you and then push it a little away and the end of the stroke while keeping a continuous arc. Sound good? : SOUNDS BACKWARDS TO ME. TRY USING A MIRROR TO BE SURE THE BOW REMAINS PRETTY MUCH PERPENDICULAR TO THE STRINGS. **Maybe by trying to describe an arc that is opposite to the tendency to pull the bow toward you at the end of the stroke would cancel out the crookedness of the bow? ALSO BE SURE THAT THE AMOUNT OF ROSIN IS RIGHT - NOT TOO MUCH AND THAT WHEN YOU RUG A CLEANING CLOTH ON THE STRINGS BEFORE YOU PLAY THEY DO NOT SQUEAK. **No, I only rosin every couple of days. I use Kolstein if that means anything. THE RIGH ARM SHOULD MOVE IN A STRAIGHT LINE RELATIVE TO THE VIOLIN AND YOUR LOCAL ENVIRONMENT. WHAT YOUR ARM, HAND, AND FINGERS SHOULD DO WITH RESPECT TO YOUR BODY REALLY DEPENDS ON THE SIZE OF THE RELEVENT BODY PARTS. (Andy) : : Sometimes, after I have been playing for more than an hour, the problem goes away and I cannot figure out what it is that I am doing differently when this happens. : : Thanks a lot for your help, I promise I'll go home and try this stuff out. : : This is a really frustrating and quasi-depressing situation, not being able to play long notes cleanly is like being a painter whose brushes can't hold green: you can still paint but it just ain't as pretty.
  5. : (1) How loose have you tried the hair? : No more than a pinkey width from the stick? Yeah I loosened it pretty good. : (2) A good Russian violin-bow hold would put the pinkey tip on the bow and curved (concave) a little and the index finger somewhere between the second and third (palm) joint. This would give some extra force to the stick from the weight of the index finger side of the hand with no extra effort on your part and might tend to overcome chatter if it develops - or at least give you a "power point" to work it out. So you're saying that I should put a little more weight on my index finger by bending my pinky more? By "convex" you mean that the last knuckle should be bent away from the floor, right? : (3) Like you said. I don't quite understand what "square" means in relation to a bow hold. (Sorry) : (4) OK - maybe you got one of the Codabows that's not so good. I've heard of it WRT a Coda cello bow (I think it was the weight of the frog causing the problem). Can you get a second opinion on the bow - how much does it weigh? How much pressure are you applying to the bow? My own violin Codabow is quite satisfactory - although I have a couple of other bows I prefer for one reason or another - but a number that are worse (for me). The problem with the Codabow is quite worse than with my other bows. I got a new grip put on it, a thicker lizard skin one, I blew right through the original. I put a glob of fun-tack on the tip to see if the new grip was the problem (although the prob. developed long after I got it done). I have an early model of a Codabow so I don't know if it has anything to do with it. I try not to put too much weight on the bow, I am thinking of drawing the bow smoothly across the strings when I play. : Finally, if your bowing is "going crooked" - that is, not perpendicular to the strings in the upper half, this common flaw can cause this "chattering" problem and other bad sounds and it is much worse with some violins than others and some bows, as well, can be more forgiving than others. This has been a bit of a problem for me for as long as I have played. Could that little axial rotation be causing the problem? : --If everything else is OK then it sounds like what the engineers call "positive feedback" in that a vibration that should be damped is in fact growing. The fact that this happens with all your bows, to some degree, might indicate it is related in some way to the violin - perhaps the strings you are using or the setup??? Can you find someone else to try it out also? I'll have a fiddle buddy of mine try it when I see him next, good idea. I use steel strings. Another note, I just had lunch with a fiddle friend and he said that he had a similar problem and his professor told him that he needed to discribe an arc with the frog when bowing. Pull the bow a bit towards you and then push it a little away and the end of the stroke while keeping a continuous arc. Sound good? Sometimes, after I have been playing for more than an hour, the problem goes away and I cannot figure out what it is that I am doing differently when this happens. Thanks a lot for your help, I promise I'll go home and try this stuff out. This is a really frustrating and quasi-depressing situation, not being able to play long notes cleanly is like being a painter whose brushes can't hold green: you can still paint but it just ain't as pretty.
  6. : Without being able to see you play, I'd have to guess that: : (1) You have the bow hair too tight. I have tried different tensions. : (2) You are holding the bow "too square" - more like a typical cello bow hold than a violin bowhold. Too "square?" : (3) You are holding the bow too tight. I'll try relaxing a little more. : (4) You are shaking a little. No, I try to pull the bow very smoothly. It almost feels like the bouncing starts at the base of the bow, it is almost like the way that you crack a whip, you can feel it developing in the beginning of the bow stroke even though it is smooth on the string and then it reaches a point and just bounces again.
  7. These posts about Scott Cao or any other Chinese importer cause too much controversy and fill the memory of the board with useless bickering. NO MORE!
  8. : I am currently studying a commerce degree and will soon graduate. However, I have always wanted to be a an orchestra violinist. I wasn't able to study music due to my reluctant parents. However, I've started violin lessons four months ago and is now in level four. It is amazing to realize that I can spend hours a day tucking the instrument under my neck without feeling tired! : Anyway,I am concern about the future of not able to become an orchestra violinist because I started learning the instrument so late. I would like to know what qualification it takes to play in an orchestra. I am also concern about making a living from becoming a violinist. As I will soon graduate with a commerce degree, I really need the necessary advise and information about being a violinist to choose between the two professions. : Any advise will be a great assist to me. Please advise. Thank you. The more you learn about the music profession, glamorous as it may seem, the happier you will be that you have another career choice. I love my life, but it is REALLY DIFFICULT TO PAY THE BILLS!!!!!!
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